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Illiterate in L.A.: Vox Day on the superiority of educating your children at home
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, September 14, 2004 | Vox Day

Posted on 09/13/2004 10:11:18 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: RFEngineer
>>FYI charters as a group perform worse than regular public schools (at least in the DC area), because, if you can believe it, there is even LESS accountability with charter schools. <<

That is a myth.

The charter schools are public schools as well. They must follow the same rules as any other public school. The problem with charters is that they are the dumping ground for all the behavior problems that the PS do not want to deal with. Also charters tend to not "label" children to get extra federal funding, unlike the District Schools.

Here is an example. Joey has been in a District School since Kindergarten. In first grade, teacher (who has 30 children in her class) can't handle his behavior and he is labeled ADHD. The school now gets funding to give him tutoring. Good for teacher, out of her class. Good for school, $$$. Now the parents see that he is getting no where but maintaining.
New charter opens in the area. Uniforms, discipline, the whole 9 yards. First year, the parents do not investigate. Joey's second grade year, when more is expected of him, things are getting worse. They hear about the charter and decide to start him next year in fourth grade in the charter. Now, that school must start from scratch with academics AND discipline. He is required to take 4th grade mandatory testing. He will not be anywhere near the other children. (This is one of the big screams of the NCLB tests by the NEA, ALL children must be counted. They can no longer label them learning disabled and get them out of being tested).
In our area, District schools are encouraging parents to take their children to charters before 4th grade MEAP tests. Cute, huh? Charters on a whole are just fine and actually improve the District because of competition.
41 posted on 09/14/2004 6:36:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: FITZ

And some kids will do well whether or not their school is any good or whether or not their parents participate in their education.


42 posted on 09/14/2004 6:38:35 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: RFEngineer

>>Public schools are often criticised for having teachers teaching subjects in which they have no specialized education - (e.g. math, science).<<

No, because the difference is that the person supervising my curriculm has all the knowledge I do not. I actually am not the teacher (it may be Bill Bennett who is the teacher) I am like the teacher's aide. I do not make lesson plans, my prepackaged curriculm does.


43 posted on 09/14/2004 6:41:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: Aquinasfan

Some charter schools (we have one in my state)are now offering a classical education.

A classical charter school in Colorado is the second highest ranked school in the state.

The trivium just makes so much sense. It's unfortunate that many school officials think classical education is elitist.


44 posted on 09/14/2004 6:43:38 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: RFEngineer
Would this not also be an issue with pre-packaged curricula for homeschooling?

The fluff over teacher certification is part of the lie that teaching (or learning) basic subjects is difficult and requires "expertise." Any adult who can read, write, and do arithmetic can teach up to 6th grade (under tutoring or homeschool conditions where crowd-management is not a deterrent ... which leaves out my house, I guess :-). If a child doesn't understand one explanation of a math concept or a grammar issue, for example, the other parent can explain a different way, or you get on the internet and look for another explanation, or call your curriculum provider for suggestions ... etc., etc., but usually it's not necessary at the elementary level.

Even math through high school is just not that hard, particularly with video courses available to help parents who never learned it :-). The main requirement for resources outside the home would be in lab sciences, but even then, a student who has mastered reading, writing, and math at home is going to be better off in college than one who hung around in a science lab, but can't follow written instructions, write up a report, or do advanced algebra.

45 posted on 09/14/2004 6:49:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dick Cheney is MY dark, macho, paranoid Vice President!)
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To: Aquinasfan

We have a lot of logic, grammar, and rhetoric in our family. Sometimes I consider running the van into a telephone pole just to get a little peace and quiet :-).


46 posted on 09/14/2004 6:54:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dick Cheney is MY dark, macho, paranoid Vice President!)
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To: momofsixgirls
One of the most rewarding things I've ever done was teach my youngest to read

I hear that. We're a relatively new homeschool family - oldest is 7 and the only one in school so far, but when she "got it" and really started to read (about halfway through kindergarten), what a feeling. I really felt like a TEACHER. And then more and more (especially this summer) she started reading every book she had with great pleasure - what fun to watch.

Lately she's started to write her own stories, which is something I didn't really expect. :)

47 posted on 09/14/2004 6:59:31 AM PDT by agrace
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To: ladylib
The trivium just makes so much sense.

If the goal is teaching children how to think rather than what to think and when to think it.

48 posted on 09/14/2004 7:03:13 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ladylib

We are adding the "Well-Trained Mind" to our packaged curriculm! Great book. And the good thing about homeschooling is we school all year and have the ability to do 7 days a week. We can add anything we like!


49 posted on 09/14/2004 7:12:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: JohnHuang2

This probably happens all to often. The student prevailed, however.

http://www.educationnews.org/courts-pedagogic-asserting-the.htm


50 posted on 09/14/2004 7:14:24 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: Aquinasfan

You've got that right. It's probably not an attractive option for many of today's schools (and not only public schools) just for that reason.


51 posted on 09/14/2004 7:18:01 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: netmilsmom

Do you know about this site?

http://www.classical-homeschooling.org/


52 posted on 09/14/2004 7:23:42 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib

Great site!

I'll have to take some time to go through it. We have Gym and Swim at the Y and Polish Dance today.

Homeschooling keeps one busy!


53 posted on 09/14/2004 7:31:07 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

"Parents who are not willing to make the slightest sacrifice of time or money to help their children get an actual education (as opposed to what happens in public schools) "

No debate necessary. You, and many folks do not believe education occurs in any public school environment, and that placing children in them is tantamount to felonious behavior. You use a pretty broad brush that simply paints an erroneous picture of reality. Perhaps it is true where you are, but it is a big world.


54 posted on 09/14/2004 8:06:14 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: JohnHuang2

bump for later


55 posted on 09/14/2004 10:17:30 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Judge Greer allows violations of Florida Statutes)
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To: ladylib

I suppose --- but I think the parents encouraging education is the more important factor. There are too many parent(s) who don't care and who don't care if their 13 to 17 year old daughters start having babies because the only thing the parent themself knows is how to get a welfare check.

The social safety net is too secure now --- no one really needs to worry about making it or not.


56 posted on 09/14/2004 4:46:36 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

The social safety net is not as secure as it was 15 years ago. There is a limit on how long someone can collect welfare today. Use up your limit and fend for yourself.


57 posted on 09/14/2004 5:08:57 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib

That was only one particular welfare program renamed TANF. It doesn't include Food Stamps, WIC, Medicaid, EITC, SSDI, housing subsidies, or all the many others. There is no way government spending for all the handout programs combined is lower than it was 15 years ago and many of the permanent welfare types were moved to SSDI.


58 posted on 09/14/2004 8:22:31 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Thanks for the information.


59 posted on 09/15/2004 4:50:39 AM PDT by ladylib
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