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CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos
NY Times ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:31:00 PM PDT by ambrose

The New York Times


September 14, 2004
THE MILITARY RECORD

CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos

By JIM RUTENBERG and KATE ZERNIKE

When the CBS News anchor Dan Rather defended himself on camera and in interviews last Friday against questions being raised about documents he had used to bolster a report on President Bush's National Guard service, he and network executives considered the case closed.

Mr. Rather himself said emphatically: "CBS News stands by, and I stand by, the thoroughness and accuracy of this report, period. Our story is true."

Yet there he was again, on "The CBS Evening News" last night, presenting even more experts to attest to the authenticity of several documents purportedly dating back to the early 1970's suggesting that Mr. Bush received favorable treatment in the Guard.

While Mr. Rather's initial "60 Minutes" report was considered a journalistic coup, coming in the peak of an election year and in the twilight of Mr. Rather's career, the network has found itself under unrelenting pressure from within and without to prove that the documents were genuine amid charges that they could only have been produced by modern-day word processors.

The controversy over the documents has been propelled by a volatile mix of fierce election-year rancor, daily disclosures pointing to potential weaknesses in CBS's report and the network's steadfast refusal to explain how it got the documents.

Even inside CBS News there was deepening concern. Some of Mr. Rather's colleagues said in interviews that they were becoming increasingly anxious for him to silence the critics by proving the documents' validity and as new questions about their origin arose. Most declined to be quoted by name.

CBS said the documents came from the personal files of one of Mr. Bush's Guard commanders, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. The memos indicated that Mr. Bush had failed to take a physical against orders and that Colonel Killian was being pressured to "sugarcoat" his performance rating because Mr. Bush, whose father was then a Texas congressman, was "talking to somebody upstairs."

USA Today, which had presented the documents as legitimate on Thursday, featured an article yesterday with some experts surmising they were forgeries. "We're just busy now trying to determine the authenticity, or not," said the newspaper's executive editor, John Hillkirk.

One of the experts CBS News said initially helped convince it that the documents were genuine, a handwriting expert named Marcel B. Matley, said in an interview yesterday that he believed the signature in the documents to be that of Colonel Killian. Asked if the signature could have been lifted from an official document by Colonel Killian and pasted onto forgeries, Mr. Matley said: "Sure. But we can't draw a conclusion from a possibility."

Several CBS correspondents said in interviews that such developments were making them increasingly nervous.

One network correspondent said, "I've talked to colleagues who would love to see more of a defense."

This person described the state of the staff as "deep concern, I'd say not panic - we all want it to be right." This person, echoing others, said that Mr. Rather's resoluteness in addressing the charges on the air was allaying some of the concern. "Dan really put himself on the line and I can't imagine him knowingly defending something he knew not to be the case."

A longtime correspondent said flatly, "I'm distressed."

Mike Wallace, the longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent, said after hearing about new challenges to the validity of the documents on Sunday, "I'm confused by some of what I've heard today." But of his colleagues working on the report, he said: "You're dealing with genuine professionals. The last thing in the world that any of these people would want is to phony something."

Andrew Heyward, the CBS News president, said in an interview on Sunday that he was not concerned about the validity of the documents or the report CBS News presented. "I'm firmly convinced that the memos are authentic and the stories are accurate," he said.

Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story." A spokeswoman said yesterday he had not changed his position.

Alex S. Jones, director of the Shorenstein Center at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, said the burden was on CBS to prove its report was accurate beyond standard lines like "We stand by our story."

"I think they should be able to provide credible information about how these memos came into their possession," Mr. Jones said. "And if they cannot provide the name of the source, then they need to make as much transparency as possible."

But CBS News officials have made it clear that they will go only so far. They have repeatedly said they do not believe their source for the documents would go public.

One important question raised inside and outside CBS is whether it knows where the documents, which it admits are not originals but copies, came from in the first place and how many hands they passed through. Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents." She would not elaborate.

Last night, CBS did not present any of the other experts who originally helped it authenticate the documents, beyond mentioning Mr. Matley, who was interviewed on the Friday broadcast. Instead it featured computer and typewriter specialists who had called or posted defenses of CBS on Internet blogs.

Richard Katz, a computer software expert in Los Angeles who was featured on the "Evening News" segment, said in an interview that he had called his local affiliate, KCBS, after looking at the memos on the CBS Web site after the initial broadcast, when some experts were saying that the memos looked as if they had been composed using the Times New Roman font in Microsoft Word.

Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning. The producer asked him to come in and look at the memorandums and say whether he thought that an I.B.M. typewriter could have produced the documents. He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; killian; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate
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To: ambrose

Sell Short VIA, LOL! Or how about a Long FOX and Short VIA for a nice Spread!


21 posted on 09/13/2004 8:39:28 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Memos are phoney and even Dan Rather knows now.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Alright, experts, reproduce it with ancient equipment.

That is the elephant in the room. The fact is, they would have already done that if they could.

22 posted on 09/13/2004 8:39:59 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: McGavin999

See # 6.


23 posted on 09/13/2004 8:40:00 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: ambrose

Why no mention of John "Forge" Kerry?


24 posted on 09/13/2004 8:40:07 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: ambrose

What do idiots do when they're caught lying? Keep lying because they think they'll convince you they're not lying......reminds me of the guy on a high speed chase....we all know the end result while he deceives only himself thinking he's gonna get away.

What utter fools.


25 posted on 09/13/2004 8:40:22 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ambrose
Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.

Gee, that's real definitive, isn't it? What a crock.

26 posted on 09/13/2004 8:40:39 PM PDT by Bob
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To: ez
I repaired copiers for almost ten years. Many people don't realize that at 100% zoom ratio, a copier is set to VERY SLIGHTLY enlarge the document. This decreases the odds that an edge will appear on the copy, and makes for a cleaner copy.

Don't some of the newer digital copiers have the ability to remove the edges without changing the scale?

27 posted on 09/13/2004 8:40:51 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What's the frequency Kenneth?)
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To: ambrose
Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story."

That explains a lot about 60 Minutes over the years. If all their other stories got the same kind of vetting, then the credibility of everything they've ever done is now in serious question and should be analyzed for fraud and inaccuracies.
28 posted on 09/13/2004 8:41:04 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: ambrose
Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning.

Look at that; CBS says that they stand by their sources and the memos, but they are reduced to searching the internet and calling this guy in on Monday!!!

29 posted on 09/13/2004 8:41:07 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: VadeRetro
The NY Times will soldier on for about one more day

Bingo! They had to print something since this has become a major story. This piece doesn't really say anything. Looks like they are intentionally not taking a position. You got to believe they want the memos to be real, though, so the fact that they are not definitively supporting CBS means they know which way the wind is blowing.

30 posted on 09/13/2004 8:41:32 PM PDT by Pete
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To: ambrose

Here comes the great PURGE!!!

tick-tock...


31 posted on 09/13/2004 8:41:44 PM PDT by LuckyHat (Kerry burned down my village...and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt.)
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To: Howlin

fofl!


32 posted on 09/13/2004 8:42:10 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ambrose
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents.

Does tis mean he has/saw the ORIGINALS??

Otherwise, the process of copying can bloat the type!
33 posted on 09/13/2004 8:42:15 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: ambrose; Congressman Billybob
Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story." A spokeswoman said yesterday he had not changed his position.

THIS IS THE SCARIEST THING I HAVE READ IN YEARS....

34 posted on 09/13/2004 8:42:49 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! Give A+BERT (snakeoil) his name back! Help him, JR, you're his only hope...)
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To: ambrose


35 posted on 09/13/2004 8:43:05 PM PDT by drwiii
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To: ambrose
"Sure. But we can't draw a conclusion from a possibility."

Well, wouldn't this apply to the content of forged memos also?

36 posted on 09/13/2004 8:43:26 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: ambrose
Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.

Is Glennon Rather's cable guy?

If Glennon REALLY believes he can re-create the Killian memos with a 1972 era IBM, and he has $20,000 he is willing to put up, I'll match it and we'll see if he can duplicate them. He wins, he gets the whole $40,000. He can't duplicate them, I get the $40,000. I'll keep my original $20,000 and the forfeited $20,000 will be donated to the Swifties.

I have just a few conditions:

1. The challenger must reproduce all four memos on a commercial 1972 era typewriter that the challenger must show would have been readily available to Lt.Col. Killian.(no typesetting machines)

2. The typist must be a non-professional with typing skills similar to Lt. Col. Killian, and need not be the challenger.

3. No extraordinary efforts such as manual manipulaton of the type ball or daisy wheel, replacing the type ball or daisy wheel during typing, marking the paper, or making manual calculation or formatting notes.

4. The challenger must duplicate insofar as reasonably possible the level of effort that would Lt. Col. Killian would have put into typing a private "memo to file", i.e. minimal; thus the challenger must walk up to the typewriter, put in a sheet of paper and type the memos forthwith. The typer can have the forged memos at ahand for reference.

5. To be judged by a knowledgable referee. I prefer Joseph Newcomer.

By the way, I think the chances of Glennon or anyone else taking up this challenge are NIL, as in zip, nada, zilch.

37 posted on 09/13/2004 8:43:54 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: ez
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word

So I wonder if the MS Word document had been run through a copier 30 or 40 times?

38 posted on 09/13/2004 8:44:37 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Keep it going focus....


39 posted on 09/13/2004 8:45:20 PM PDT by Gibtx (focus.........)
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To: Howlin
A message from Freepers to Dan Rather and all the wonderful folks at See B.S.:


40 posted on 09/13/2004 8:45:34 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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