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CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos
NY Times ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:31:00 PM PDT by ambrose

The New York Times


September 14, 2004
THE MILITARY RECORD

CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos

By JIM RUTENBERG and KATE ZERNIKE

When the CBS News anchor Dan Rather defended himself on camera and in interviews last Friday against questions being raised about documents he had used to bolster a report on President Bush's National Guard service, he and network executives considered the case closed.

Mr. Rather himself said emphatically: "CBS News stands by, and I stand by, the thoroughness and accuracy of this report, period. Our story is true."

Yet there he was again, on "The CBS Evening News" last night, presenting even more experts to attest to the authenticity of several documents purportedly dating back to the early 1970's suggesting that Mr. Bush received favorable treatment in the Guard.

While Mr. Rather's initial "60 Minutes" report was considered a journalistic coup, coming in the peak of an election year and in the twilight of Mr. Rather's career, the network has found itself under unrelenting pressure from within and without to prove that the documents were genuine amid charges that they could only have been produced by modern-day word processors.

The controversy over the documents has been propelled by a volatile mix of fierce election-year rancor, daily disclosures pointing to potential weaknesses in CBS's report and the network's steadfast refusal to explain how it got the documents.

Even inside CBS News there was deepening concern. Some of Mr. Rather's colleagues said in interviews that they were becoming increasingly anxious for him to silence the critics by proving the documents' validity and as new questions about their origin arose. Most declined to be quoted by name.

CBS said the documents came from the personal files of one of Mr. Bush's Guard commanders, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. The memos indicated that Mr. Bush had failed to take a physical against orders and that Colonel Killian was being pressured to "sugarcoat" his performance rating because Mr. Bush, whose father was then a Texas congressman, was "talking to somebody upstairs."

USA Today, which had presented the documents as legitimate on Thursday, featured an article yesterday with some experts surmising they were forgeries. "We're just busy now trying to determine the authenticity, or not," said the newspaper's executive editor, John Hillkirk.

One of the experts CBS News said initially helped convince it that the documents were genuine, a handwriting expert named Marcel B. Matley, said in an interview yesterday that he believed the signature in the documents to be that of Colonel Killian. Asked if the signature could have been lifted from an official document by Colonel Killian and pasted onto forgeries, Mr. Matley said: "Sure. But we can't draw a conclusion from a possibility."

Several CBS correspondents said in interviews that such developments were making them increasingly nervous.

One network correspondent said, "I've talked to colleagues who would love to see more of a defense."

This person described the state of the staff as "deep concern, I'd say not panic - we all want it to be right." This person, echoing others, said that Mr. Rather's resoluteness in addressing the charges on the air was allaying some of the concern. "Dan really put himself on the line and I can't imagine him knowingly defending something he knew not to be the case."

A longtime correspondent said flatly, "I'm distressed."

Mike Wallace, the longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent, said after hearing about new challenges to the validity of the documents on Sunday, "I'm confused by some of what I've heard today." But of his colleagues working on the report, he said: "You're dealing with genuine professionals. The last thing in the world that any of these people would want is to phony something."

Andrew Heyward, the CBS News president, said in an interview on Sunday that he was not concerned about the validity of the documents or the report CBS News presented. "I'm firmly convinced that the memos are authentic and the stories are accurate," he said.

Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story." A spokeswoman said yesterday he had not changed his position.

Alex S. Jones, director of the Shorenstein Center at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, said the burden was on CBS to prove its report was accurate beyond standard lines like "We stand by our story."

"I think they should be able to provide credible information about how these memos came into their possession," Mr. Jones said. "And if they cannot provide the name of the source, then they need to make as much transparency as possible."

But CBS News officials have made it clear that they will go only so far. They have repeatedly said they do not believe their source for the documents would go public.

One important question raised inside and outside CBS is whether it knows where the documents, which it admits are not originals but copies, came from in the first place and how many hands they passed through. Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents." She would not elaborate.

Last night, CBS did not present any of the other experts who originally helped it authenticate the documents, beyond mentioning Mr. Matley, who was interviewed on the Friday broadcast. Instead it featured computer and typewriter specialists who had called or posted defenses of CBS on Internet blogs.

Richard Katz, a computer software expert in Los Angeles who was featured on the "Evening News" segment, said in an interview that he had called his local affiliate, KCBS, after looking at the memos on the CBS Web site after the initial broadcast, when some experts were saying that the memos looked as if they had been composed using the Times New Roman font in Microsoft Word.

Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning. The producer asked him to come in and look at the memorandums and say whether he thought that an I.B.M. typewriter could have produced the documents. He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.


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KEYWORDS: cbsnews; killian; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate
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To: ambrose

So does CommieBS keep going in it's lineup of "experts" to the bitter end? Right down to the blind man selling pencils out of a tin cup on 54th Street?


121 posted on 09/13/2004 9:46:31 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: aculeus
"No attempt is made to explain kerning, proportional spacing, etc."

Their delay is because they are trying to assemble a 72 selectric that will perform feats no other selectric ever has.

I wonder how Dan is sleeping lately?
122 posted on 09/13/2004 9:49:56 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Marak

THIS is a software EXPERT??"

I wonder if this is the expert?

KATZ, RICHARD
SHERMAN OAKS,CA 91403
RICHARD KATZ CONSULTING
2/11/2004
$1,000
Boxer, Barbara




What is CBS News, Mr Heyward and the NY Times email addy's.

I'll be happy to ask them that question along with a 1000 others. :)


123 posted on 09/13/2004 9:55:37 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast ("....to defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

as far as I'm concerned, the tiny th after 178th makes the whole thing a slam-dunk: game-set-match, CBS loses. Other news media are damaging their credibility by holding out a sort of "50-50" possibility that CBS is right


124 posted on 09/13/2004 9:57:38 PM PDT by guitarist (commonsense)
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To: aculeus
This article is called a "Shot across the Bow." It is a memo of another sort. A memo to Richart Katz that his job is on the line and he has until 10am Tuesday to put an end to this because by Wednesday NY Times will be calling this a Fraud perpetrated by CBS.

They have avoided that.. but are saying the defense tonight was indefensible and laughable. Combined with the much Harsher article in the Washington Post. This is JOURNALISM as an institution calling the line where if something isn't done the Profession cannot recover as a whole..

I am not saying these folks are intense partisans and are ready to give that up and be straight. But, it is obvious for all, and at this point, to defend is to go down in flames with.. rather than surviving to start to pick up the pieces.

Sometimes the gentle rebuke stings the most. There is blood running in the corridors of CBS tonight, tears in the morning.

It is not a good night for America that it has come to this, that it had to come to this.

I was chatting with another Freeper tonight about a conversation he had with a Newspaper editor from a Newspaper here in our town, who ran an article based on this CBS story today. The newspaper listened and stated that it got by them because they trust the news services to provide the news. Not a difficult concept.

Its a thing about cost and paying for quality product. Because so many institutions failed. This contract has been broken and only stern measures will reforge this trust.

I used to trust. I don't know. I am glad that the Times and the Post have seen tonight what we have been seeing for days, months, perhaps years.

What will they do with it? Its hard to say. They have asked CBS to clean up this mess now.. or

If they leave it there.. then this is just a way point to deeper tragedy. Its time for the Times and other Newspapers to analyze what happened and find their way back to Journalism.

It was suprising to me.. seeing the Post and the Times .. the writing in each of these articles. It was superb. The facts laid out without political spin. Cold and hard.

Sounds kind of funny, but I am praying for them all.

Blogging is cool, but we need good articles to link to. It would be really nice if they were MSM and not just an example of the next outrage. Perhaps too much to hope for, but thats what prayers are for.

125 posted on 09/13/2004 9:58:22 PM PDT by dalight
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To: Shermy

"If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

If this guy is supposed to be such an "expert", why wouldn't it occur to him that the obvious way to change the boldness would be to xerox the thing a dozen times or so? Why didn't he mention that? I notice that he took the time to mention that people who disagree with him (I.E., YOU AND ME) might put a target on his back.


126 posted on 09/13/2004 10:02:42 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: nsc68
It doesn't matter if every advanced typewriter and type setting machine in the world was at the TANG in 72, or even if one of those machines could make a match of the Killian memos. That means nothing. What matters is this:

How could Killian, in 1972, type ANY memo, which EXACTLY matched the MS Word defaults, decades before MS Word was invented?

It's the same as saying a chimp "could" type a Shakespeare sonnet.

127 posted on 09/13/2004 10:06:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose

Amazing. It's obvious at FIRST GLANCE to anyone with a modicum of experience in the typed/printed word, that they're forgeries. AT A GLANCE. CBS, however, has decided that they can make it go away just by repeating the same stuff over and over. And who knows, maybe they CAN. Scout around the web's MSM news sites. Nothing about the memos in the headlines. Yeah, there are a lot of articles here and there, but in bigtime coverage, it's lacking. Very disturbing that they've decided to take something this flagrant and use it to prove that they're the big dog who cannot be beaten. And I think it has really turned into something that sick and that simple at CBS.

MM


128 posted on 09/13/2004 10:07:36 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: ambrose

From NRO:

THE LATEST FROM WITHIN CBS [09/14 12:44 AM]

I have recently talked with an individual who claims to be familiar with the internal discussions at CBS News. This source built some credibility when he/she accurately stated that Drudge’s report of an internal investigation was wrong (Rather denied Drudge‘s report a few hours later), and this person also accurately predicted the network’s full-throated defense of the story on Friday evening, when some were wondering if the network would backtrack.

This individual told the Kerry Spot late Monday night that some of CBS’ news talent who were campaigning for the anchor desk when Rather retires, are more than a little pleased with the recent turn of events. These individuals, who, admittedly, have a great personal stake in getting Rather out the door, are contending in internal discussions that the blame belongs with Rather, not with any lower-ranking producer.

This individual also suggests that Don Hewitt, creator of 60 Minutes and who initially opposed the idea of establishing ‘60 Minutes II,’ is as livid as one would imagine. The pressure within CBS is intense and building steadily, the source said.

In another assessment of morale at CBS, I have also heard from one CBS employee, who works outside the newsroom, who has lamented that the memo controversy has left him/her “horribly disappointed, because I truly want to believe we're better than that.” (These sources have asked to not be identified, because they would like to keep their jobs.)

I also spent Monday touching base with various reporters and editors at mainstream newspapers and magazines in Washington, and not one would defend CBS’s action in this case. One editor at a publication that covers Capitol Hill said, “Anytime a major media outlet leaps to a conclusion on what appears to be highly questionable evidence, we all pay a price in terms of lessened credibility. Bad journalism is like bad anything — lawyers, doctors or apples. One bad one can taint the whole group.”

UPDATE: Here's a report in the New York Times that appears to back up my source's description of tension at CBS. Of course, this presumes the Times reporter is better than Jayson Blair.

Several CBS correspondents said in interviews that such developments were making them increasingly nervous.
One network correspondent said, "I've talked to colleagues who would love to see more of a defense."

This person described the state of the staff as "deep concern, I'd say not panic - we all want it to be right." This person, echoing others, said that Mr. Rather's resoluteness in addressing the charges on the air was allaying some of the concern. "Dan really put himself on the line and I can't imagine him knowingly defending something he knew not to be the case."

A longtime correspondent said flatly, "I'm distressed."

Mike Wallace, the longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent, said after hearing about new challenges to the validity of the documents on Sunday, "I'm confused by some of what I've heard today." But of his colleagues working on the report, he said: "You're dealing with genuine professionals. The last thing in the world that any of these people would want is to phony something."


My guess is that now that the Post has dismembered the CBS defense in this morning's edition, and raised a new set of hard questions, internal grumbling and finger-pointing at CBS News will intensify in the coming days.


129 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: alancarp
good angle on the DNCBS
130 posted on 09/13/2004 10:12:41 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Sorry Kerry, you're 3 decimal places adrift: 3,000,000 not 3,000 "displaced"/murdered SE Asians)
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To: ambrose

"believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M."

SO DO IT ALREADY!

Idiots. They can't stonewall anymore. This thing has mushroomed way beyond what Heyward and Rather thought possible.


131 posted on 09/13/2004 10:14:18 PM PDT by Rocky (Heinz Kerry: 57 positions on any issue)
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To: ez
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents.

Also, if the document was printed on a laser printer one can vary the "bold" appearance by changing the toner "mode" to put more or less toner into the characters.

One reason it is taking so long for anyone to create the identical document using a Selectric is they're busy hacking the firmware in their model to make it produce exactly the same document, and since that would be very, very, difficult, it's taking a long time to jury rig their machine.

132 posted on 09/13/2004 10:18:16 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: ambrose

New CBS Expert Following Document Review

CBS Execs: It's Good. Beyond A Doubt. Totally Credible. Call Dan.


133 posted on 09/13/2004 10:25:29 PM PDT by budman_2001
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To: ambrose
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said.

Subtle ripples in the paper on a photocopier scanplate will produce variations in boldness.

"Next lucky constestant!"

134 posted on 09/13/2004 10:27:29 PM PDT by Peelod (Perversion is not festive)
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To: Travis McGee
How could Killian, in 1972, type ANY memo, which EXACTLY matched the MS Word defaults, decades before MS Word was invented?

Yes, a great point, and obviously that would be sufficient to prove the documents are fake to any reasonable person.

However, I'm looking at it from the perspective of what CBS might try to avoid total humiliation. If they can kluge together some kind of 70's-era typewriter that can produce a memo reasonably close to the Bush memo, and they can sufficiently obfuscate the matter of the typewriter's presence in the TNAG offices, they can at least escape this crisis have sown substantial doubt over whether the memos were faked.

135 posted on 09/13/2004 10:34:45 PM PDT by nsc68
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To: counterpunch

I can't believe they're saying that..whoa!


137 posted on 09/13/2004 10:37:04 PM PDT by des
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To: wildbill; All
Somewhere in California the ghost of Richard Nixon is walking around chuckling softly and murmuring, "You're running now, Dan, my boy."

LOL! I wonder, have their been any cartoons of Nixon on Rather's heels? I've seen some of the strips, but not all, and none with Nixon.

138 posted on 09/13/2004 10:38:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Jackson Brown

That was cool.


139 posted on 09/13/2004 10:45:39 PM PDT by My back yard (Swift Pajama Freepers for Truth)
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To: ambrose
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents.

In the 70s, I remember having to roll the tape forward often to get our typewriter to get the best print for papers. It's no wonder that the CBS forgeries, which they admit are only copies, fail to replicate the exact same boldness which one can expect from computer screens and printers of today.

140 posted on 09/13/2004 10:48:54 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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