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Dan Rather wants us to believe that National Guard outfits had top of the line, EXPENSIVE typwriters. This ex-Army clerk shows us what the reality was.
1 posted on 09/13/2004 6:56:43 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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Swift Boat Veterans for Truth


2 posted on 09/13/2004 6:58:13 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Freepers are Crusader Warriors)
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If a trainee stepped out of line, he got the Ugly Stick. Sarge brandished the remnants of a golf club with its head broken off in what was surely a fit of rage at the nearby Ft. Jackson Country Club. He spun it, Chaplin-esque, as he wandered the classroom rows of sweating trainees.

I have to thank you! That broken golf club will help me get my nephew Michael a new trial.

Sincerely,

Edward Moore Kennedy

4 posted on 09/13/2004 7:01:31 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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CBS had a Word-wrote malfunction.


5 posted on 09/13/2004 7:01:36 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (FReepers in Pajamas)
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6 posted on 09/13/2004 7:03:35 PM PDT by drwiii
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" If I hear one more Vietnam war story out of either presidential campaign I might just sit out this election."


Excuse me, BUT, there's only ONE party putting out these "Vietnam war stories". Don't blame both sides.


7 posted on 09/13/2004 7:04:32 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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If I hear one more Vietnam war story out of either presidential campaign I might just sit out this election.

Funny, I don't recall W bringing up the subject.

8 posted on 09/13/2004 7:06:27 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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He spun it, Chaplin-esque, as he wandered the classroom rows of sweating trainees.

LOL. Great imagery.

9 posted on 09/13/2004 7:06:57 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Too genteel for my own damn good.)
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Hey! This CBS stuff is fake!

10 posted on 09/13/2004 7:07:23 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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Good find, one that really nails it in simple, clear way.


12 posted on 09/13/2004 7:09:48 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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He, especially, gets the Ugly Stick.

May THAT closer never part from my memory cells! ;-)

13 posted on 09/13/2004 7:09:54 PM PDT by pollwatcher (in Memory of the late, great Ted Cassidy (1932-1979) - a Kerry Impersonator well ahead of his time!)
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Not to offend, but it isn't the Bush campaign dwelling on past military glories. Kerry bet the entire farm on his phoney military record, which will never see the light of day.


14 posted on 09/13/2004 7:11:29 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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It's pretty obvious that Kerry's gotten hit by the Ugly Stick!


15 posted on 09/13/2004 7:11:41 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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This is an excellent article. I like the fact that he not only debunks the authenticity of the CBS memos but pointed out the honesty and integrity of the Bush campaigns, both GHW and W.


18 posted on 09/13/2004 7:16:56 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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[I]Finally, we were called into a meeting and given a simple instruction: Anyone caught trafficking in this information would be summarily fired. The Bush family did not want to "win this way." Because we were almost sure to lose anyway, they made a further promise that violators would never work in Washington again. Any doubts were laid to rest when we were told who sent this message: the president's son, George W. Bush.[I]

Wow. Possibly the most poignant item in the article. While it is easy to criticize W for giving Clinton a pass in 1992 and Kerry a pass today. It sure is consistent.


19 posted on 09/13/2004 7:19:34 PM PDT by rwilson99
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Great post, PJ!

BTW, I was stationed at Pearl, 74-77.


22 posted on 09/13/2004 7:30:10 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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Kerry set this Vietnam trap and ended up getting caught in it himself.


28 posted on 09/13/2004 8:34:25 PM PDT by buckster
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Dan Rather isn't giving in. Tonight's CBS Evening News had short pieces with new "experts" saying the funny parts of the memos were available in the early 70's. CBS is standing firm.


30 posted on 09/13/2004 8:50:36 PM PDT by etcetera
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From 1978 until 1995, I worked as a court reporter in division- and corps-level SJA offices. Now, a court reporter earns his bread through typing ... the in-court stuff is important because it gets it to that point, but, in the end, it's the original and four or five copies of the transcript of the record of trial that the Staff Judge Advocate, the Convening Authority (the Commanding General of the Corps or Division), and the military appellate courts are waiting to pounce on. Nothing can proceed in the processing of the appellate process until the record of trial is prepared, reviewed by both counsel, and authenticated by the military judge. Speed and accuracy are required: take too long and it doesn't matter how clean the copy is; do it too fast, with too much errata, and they're sending it back to you for a retype.

When I became a court reporter in 1978, we were using Royal 550 manual typewriters, one typewritten original and a five-carbon paper snap set for the copies. Xeroxing was too expensive for the Army at that time, so we did it in an original and five carbon copies. Make a mistake, you carefully roll the paper set out far enough to get to the carbons with an eraser, making sure not to smear the work around the error. In those days before saving the record of trial to memory, making errata corrections from the trial and defense counsel on the saved copy, and giving the military judge a clean record, if the counsel came back with errata, it meant pen-and-inking the changes on the face of the record and presenting your disgrace to the whole military legal field .. and posterity, because these things get stored for a LONG time.

My assignment from Fort Hood to Korea in 1979 meant that I remained using the Royal 550, except we had to make the typing ribbon last as long as we could, which meant rewinding it, reversing it, and hoping that there was enough ink remaining in the spaces between the letters to continue to make clear copies.

I thought I was in hog-heaven when I was assigned to Mannheim and we had LANIER word processors...big hulking pseudo-computers that were only good for typing. But you could save your work product and it made errata corrections easy. 21st Support Command probably had about 10 .. all in court reporter shops in Mannheim and K'Town. None of the Division or Corps staffs had anything remotely resembling such treasures.

When I returned to Fort Hood in 1985, it was back to the Royal 550s for awhile, then Selectrics (with the golf-ball heads) and Swintecs (partial memory typewriters which could back you out of trouble with correct-tape almost as fast as you could get into it). When computers finally came to the court reporters, in about 1987, I decided to keep using the Swintec because I could make corrections on the face of the original record faster than most could figure out the keyboard corrections in the pre-mouse days. It still meant that I couldn't "save" the copy for post-errata cleanliness, but, by this time, I was both accurate and fast. Meanwhile, those unfortunate to use the computers went through a myriad of word processing program incarnations .. WordPerfect (in varying numbers), ENABLE, proto-Word, and too many other titles that flashed through the "official" requirements for word processing.

Finally, in about 1989, I was required to give up my typewriter and go to Microsoft Word.

Throughout my stint as a military court reporter (and now as a DoD civilian one), we were required by regulation to use the "standard" font, either Courier or New Courier, for processing courts-martial and other legal documents. Times New Roman was not allowed per AR 27-10 or the Manual for Courts-Martial.

As typing goes, military court reporters are pretty much the elite, the Rear Echelon Rangers. Yet, in my career as a military court reporter, until the time I was given a computer .. even including the old univac-type LANIER word processing system .. we never had the ability to superscript "th", unless we wanted to give the roller a half-turn down and try to keep the two letters even while typing with one finger and holding the roller. It wasn't worth the effort .. 1st Cavalry Division, 2nd Infantry Division, 21st Support Command, 2nd Armored Division, they all remained number-and-letters on the same level.

So, no, I do NOT believe that some obscure ANG unit was given equipment that the military's "professional" typists never saw and could only dream of. Anyone who thinks so, obviously hasn't spent enough time in the rear with us REMFs or in uniform at all.

32 posted on 09/13/2004 9:16:21 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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Just to save my pride ... I would like to say that I wasn't always a REMF. I enlisted in 1975 as an infantryman, was assigned to 1st Cav (when they were still airmobile), then became mech infantry during the transition. I spent three years in the infantry, being promoted to Sergeant E-5 and squad leader before leaving to become a REMF. Until my promotion as squad leader, I trained on the M60 machinegun as a door gunner and then a dismounted 60-gunner when we became mech. I humped that mother for three years, all 5'6" and 125 pounds of me. I loved it and didn't want to part with it when I became a squad leader.

So, even we REMFs sometimes have a history ...

33 posted on 09/13/2004 9:22:35 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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You have to check out the 1961 Typewriter on Ebay. It is advertised as "great for forging". Sorry I don't know how to make it into a link, but here is the site for you to cut and paste.

http://search.ebay.com/1961-typewriter_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfromZR8


35 posted on 09/13/2004 9:35:23 PM PDT by fetts
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