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CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
CBS News ^ | Sept. 13, 2004 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: GreyFriar

Today's USA TODAY reported that the paper independently obtained copies of the documents "from a person with knowledge of Texas Air National Guard operations. The person refused to be identified out of fear of retailiation. It is unclear where the documents, if they are real, had been kept in the intervening three decades."


101 posted on 09/13/2004 6:06:35 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Mase

Rather's career was scheduled to end this coming Spring anyway. He's had a 2005 retirement planned for a while.

Question is, will this now lead him to quit six months early? All signs point to no. His exit will be pretty smeared, however. I can see him pushing retirement back a couple of years to re-establish credibility, and maybe to root for Hillary in '08, but he's not going anywhere because of the memos.


102 posted on 09/13/2004 6:07:59 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals want "anyone but Bush." Tell them you're voting for Ashcroft. Watch them cringe.)
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To: Pete
I think I'm going to start using subscript in Rather's name instead of superscript. It better illustrates his decline and I would Rather not try to elevate him.

:-)

103 posted on 09/13/2004 6:09:39 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The NG "controversy" is a non-issue. How stupid of the Democrats to get into a frenzy over it. Is it to divert from other issues such as the Sandy Berger fiasco? Now that deserves attention.


104 posted on 09/13/2004 6:10:01 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

THere's got to be a lot of dissention in the house of CBS. The irony of them reporting critically on themselves is delicious.


105 posted on 09/13/2004 6:26:46 PM PDT by Paul_B (paltalk: barleyloaf)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
someone has and IBM equipment web site with photos of all these all type writers.

http://www.etypewriters.com/history.htm

There is even a story about the composer and the Killan letters already added to the data about the composer.

106 posted on 09/13/2004 6:36:52 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Pete
Rather has a looooooooong list of questions to answer. Here's a start for tomorrow's broadcast:

#1 When will SeeBS demand that Kerry sign the 180?

#2. When will SeeBS demand that Kerry release his FBI files (shouldn't be much of a problem as HC likely has a copy)

#3. Let us know who had those documents over, say, the last six months.

107 posted on 09/13/2004 7:12:50 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Tamsey
Blatant lie... the "th" they're talking about was NOT "superscript", it was no higher than the other letters on the page. And it was in exactly the right position to be struck with a special "th" key made for a typewriter.

Bingo!

108 posted on 09/13/2004 7:18:27 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Henchman
SeeBS & Rath want to be plaintif, judge and jury.

Quite un-American.

109 posted on 09/13/2004 7:24:11 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: drwiii

Can you do this in Palatino? The l matches exactly.


110 posted on 09/13/2004 7:27:38 PM PDT by Oldbaldy
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To: dalight
a11 of this hanging on a not being ab1e to use a "1" as an e11 in a "modern" document..

He probably has auto spell check turned on in Word, so it probably won't let him use the number one in place of "L"

111 posted on 09/13/2004 7:32:32 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: AFreeBird
How about this?

RAther

1o1.

112 posted on 09/13/2004 7:36:39 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Terpfen

The nicest thing we can do for Dan Rather is give him a Happy Retirement party on Nov 2nd with a Bush victory.


113 posted on 09/13/2004 7:38:48 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: Paladin2

I like it!


114 posted on 09/13/2004 8:34:28 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Rowback begins.

CBS has not been idle all weekend. They have been talking to lawyers ("Can we get sued for this screwup?" and the answer is, not really) and to damage-control PR consultants.

Note that they still insist they have many experts, but they still keep their experts secret, an indication that they really don't have experts. An expert who authenticates a document is not a source. The experts themselves, if they exist, should be pleased to be associated with such a high-profile case, so if they are being kept secret it's CBS's doing (or, of course, there are no experts).

Note that they mischaracterize some of the negative testimony that they include here -- "Killian's son also questioned some of the documents...." He actually called them all forgeries. Likewise they fudge Manley's credentials: he's strictly a handwriting analyst, and they don't mention that he is an "expert for hire" that testifies as lawyers desire in cases, and they don't mention that in an article he wrote he insisted that you cannot authenticate a photocopy -- just what he's done here. I guess what he really meant was, you can't authenticate a photocopied signature unless the money is really good. The guy is a fraud. (Why is he in this case? From his mannerisms, my guess is that he's gay and part of all the pink anti-Bush hostility the fairies are experiencing right now).

As is usual with the MSM, what they leave out is more important than the pabulum that they pump in. They don't mention the blogosphere. They don't mention the last surviving Selectric Composer's inability to duplicate the memo, or the nightmarish gyrations the user had to go through to make it happen. They don't mention the almost $40,000 reward that is being offered to anyone who can duplicate the CBS forgeries on 1972 typewriters. They don't mention the other typographic peculiarities of the documents, like its use of True Type negative-offset letterspacing that would be invented almost 20 years later. They don't mention USA Today getting alternate versions of the documents! Why would there be several versions of a memo to file...?

And then, as support for their claim that the order to take a physical was not forged, they use the date -- which is the date Bush was suspended for not taking his birth month physical.

And this winner: "Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents." They don't mention that while: Killian's boss, his admin officer, his wife and his son have all called BS on these documents; the only one that vouches for them, Bob Strong, is a Democrat who at the time was a low-ranking sergeant who worked in a different building -- not the buddy-buddy of Killian that he and Rather portray.

CBS is trying to sneak its way out of this by pretending it is just learning these things were bogus... give me a break. They knew all along. Heck, they probably created the documents themselves. The originals are probably in The Dan's "My Documents" folder.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


115 posted on 09/13/2004 9:16:04 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Did the paper lie? I dunno, was there ink on the pages today?)
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To: Diddley
"th" key made for a typewriter.

But only once, in one document, out of all those documents, and out of all the times "th" was otherwise used. Once only! That's it. And that was in 1968! All subsequent lines using "th" simply used the typewriter's lower case. The second document to use these was his 'Biography', which may be legit, but which would have been produced after the passage of the FOIA, and may have been typed around Christmas 74/75 or even later. By that time, offices may have begun to use word processors. But again the problem is that those don't match the "th" superscript in the CBS memo. They use a fixed pitch and character width. And the CBS memo has a superscript that looks just like something from MS Word, present day.

Bottom line, as EVERYONE points out at this point, MS Word can almost precisely duplicate the character widths and letter spacing of the CBS memos. All the letters line up, letter by letter, line by line. And the line height can match, as well - not so with and old top end IBM typewriter, or even type-setter.

I put together something that hit the highlights of this, at least as of a day or so ago. And I would find it difficult to believe that anyone looking that over could still have the opinion that the CBS memos are anything but a cheap and obvious fraud.

116 posted on 09/13/2004 9:20:12 PM PDT by sevry
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To: sevry

You are so right.


117 posted on 09/13/2004 9:35:51 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: All

fox news berard goldberg former CBS on now, he wrote bias...on now!


118 posted on 09/14/2004 5:17:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

watching goldberg now...


119 posted on 09/14/2004 5:18:15 AM PDT by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: longtermmemmory

"biggest story of the year"

"sinks Kerry's candidacy"

"lights out for CBS"


120 posted on 09/14/2004 5:19:24 AM PDT by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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