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Report from Chappaqua: No downside for Hillary if she replaces Kerry on the ticket..
one man's opinion

Posted on 09/13/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by ken5050

As many of you know, I have over the past four years occasionally chronicled the Clintons, from the perspective of what one hears and observes from Beautiful Downtown Chappaqua. Many Freepers have told me how much they enjoy my commentaries. I've ignored the rumors, the innuendos, the "tin-foil hat" theories. Indeed, there are many more very interesting details that I have deliberately chosen NOT to share with all of you. What I'm going to discuss now is admitted speculation on my part, but based upon a few conversations I've had in the last few days..and you'll have to trust my instincts on my sources..OK..here goes..


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badseed; clinton; conspiringclintons; hillary; hitlery; rodham; stophillary; traitor
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To: ken5050

The moment this happens everyone will assume this has been a Clinton setup from the very beginning. That Clinton sabotaged the Kerry campaign by forcing Carville et. al. on JFK, that Clinton was the ultimate source of the phony TANG memo, etc. This will be the issue that everyone would be talking about. No, Hillary will have to win the nomination the hard way in 2008, including enduring pancake breakfasts in New Hampshire and many, many nights in Iowa Holiday Inns.


21 posted on 09/13/2004 12:41:20 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: ken5050
Never mind how they get Kerry to withdraw, any number of reasons/methodologies suggest themselves

There's really only 3.

1) Fort Marcy Park

2) Air Wellstone

3) Bring Alix back from Kenya

22 posted on 09/13/2004 12:41:34 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: ken5050
She couldn't get on the ballot in most (if any) states. To get the Presidency, she would have to have electoral delegates cast their votes for her-- in essence, elector nullification. I think it's a far-fetched scenario, simply because I don't think the system could accomodate, or the people tolerate, a replacement candidate scenario.
23 posted on 09/13/2004 12:41:45 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: ken5050
Kenny... I know things are Bizzaro World now but... Hillary won't pick up Kerry's fallen cause.

She wants a mandate... not a hand-me-down. She'll have the nomination handed to her on a scarlet, velvet pillow while nubile, young lesbo's shower her path with rose petals!

Sorry.

24 posted on 09/13/2004 12:41:51 PM PDT by johnny7 (“ It's not a lie unless you admit it... it's not a story unless we broadcast it!” -Dan Rather)
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To: camle

I agree it would NOT be a good move at this point. Ignoring for the moment that SHE IS TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED FOR THE PRES POSITION, (which makes no difference to the YELLOW DOGS)...there is just too much dirt on the liberal Dem plate at this point. With the leftist, liberal media being blatantly exposed (Thanks Mr. Rather, et al)...LIBERAL is a four-letter word. And it just gets better.

In many ways, Hillary is NO DIFFERENT than Kerry. With the exception of incomprehensible flip-flopping, they are both Marxists, both internationalists, both appeasers, both military haters, both anti-capitalists, and both just good all-around SOCIALISTS WITH HARD-CORE LEFTIST AGENDAS. Not electable unless this country has just totally lost sight of why, and by whom, it was founded.





25 posted on 09/13/2004 12:42:06 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: ken5050

Kerry would never give up his chance to be POTUS. He has planned this for 30+ years. He is so out of touch that he doesn't realize that he is going to lose in November. They would have to drag him away kicking and screaming. This would not look good for the Dems. IMO


26 posted on 09/13/2004 12:42:14 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Oh I forgot one.

5. All the TV ads have already been purchased by the DNC till November.


27 posted on 09/13/2004 12:43:10 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: ken5050

Love the post. It's plausible, IMO. Also, because she wouldn't have to campaign for long, which she is terrible at. That is why she is hardly ever seen. To know her is to not like her. I think, though, she will wait because she thinks 2008 will be a sure thing. I would prefer she run now. Let's get it over with. We have a good candidate to beat her.


28 posted on 09/13/2004 12:43:53 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Publius; ken5050
Republicans, having shot their wad defining Kerry, have to scrounge to get the funds to compete with Hillary.

I'd be willing to sell a kidney. Who's with me?

29 posted on 09/13/2004 12:44:22 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (John FORGE Kerry is RONG for America...)
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To: ken5050
The only problem I can see with your analysis is Lurch himself. He is an egomaniac and a jerk to boot. He is only tangentially connected to reality. Which is why he is running a spectacularly bad campaign.

Even if Lurch were genuinely threatened with Arkancide, I don't think he would step aside.

30 posted on 09/13/2004 12:44:44 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I have the "personal file" on Lt Bush. Shhhh, don't tell anyone.)
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To: Jim Noble

Please define #1 and #3 for me...I understand #2.


31 posted on 09/13/2004 12:44:58 PM PDT by hoagy62 (I'm pullin' for ya...we're all in this together.")
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To: EagleUSA

it is not in her interests to fight for a job that she can have handed to her in a few years. to speculate about this is a waste of time.


32 posted on 09/13/2004 12:45:01 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: ken5050

Hillary has other issues that may keep her from running right now.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/3823.shtml


33 posted on 09/13/2004 12:45:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sorry forgot about number 6.

Hillary has already got her petitions in for all 50 states. Theoretically she is on more ballots than Nader should she wish to run.


34 posted on 09/13/2004 12:45:07 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: camle
no way in heck will she ever do this. she has 2008 all sewn up and the nomination will be given to her without lifting a finger. She has nothing to gain by all the controversy.

I could not agree more. To go a step further, she's going to adjust from Kerry's sad senate record, and try and be as moderate as possible in the senate (won't matter, she is still just one senator, either she's on the winning side of popular bills or losing side).

She's going to make it hard to label her record leftist, she's a believer in triangulation and with the leftwing in her back pocket begging her to run in 2008, she can start running to the middle now.

There is absolutley no reason for her to want to run in 2004, I've said this since she declared she was running for the senate. To many freepers think of her the way the dems think of Karl Rove and Bush, evil, brilliant and stupid. She learns, adjusts, and modifies herself. She knows political innoculation techniques and how to campaign, and how to not repeat public mistakes.

Look for her try and be in the middle slightly left of center in the senate, while still blasting republicans, with more polish and then in 2008, finally give in, and make a run, while making the media foam with anticipation, thus drowning out competition that might be had, and insuring a nomination victory.

35 posted on 09/13/2004 12:45:24 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Mayflower Sister

That's what I wonder,if there are any laws or regulations regarding a deadline or cut-off date to do this. I would think that there would be.


36 posted on 09/13/2004 12:46:20 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: ken5050

Hillary needs a close election. If Bush wins a mandate and successfully enacts the conservative agenda, Hillary won't win in 2008. Her party will be too weak.


37 posted on 09/13/2004 12:46:57 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ken5050

I don't know.....First of all I don't think Hillary is someone to be worried about. She alienates many people and I don't think she is really a good candiaite to begin with. Interesting scenario though, makes you wonder, allthough it would be "too cute by half".


38 posted on 09/13/2004 12:47:22 PM PDT by Pondman88
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To: ken5050

BWAHAHA! You have better odds for bin Laden to surrender on hands and knees to Dubua than Hillary replacing Kerry. He's their candidate. Accept it.


39 posted on 09/13/2004 12:48:45 PM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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To: ken5050

Don't kid yourself that she couldn't or wouldn't be defined. The Repubs would never roll over - I'd give every penny I had and so would millions of others to make sure there'd be a scorched earth policy to expose just who she is and what she reperesents.

She'll bide her time until '08. And she won't win then, either.


40 posted on 09/13/2004 12:48:50 PM PDT by Endeavor
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