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From Biased to Partisan: The mainstream media moves left.
National Review Online ^ | 9/13/04 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:36:02 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: LS

Leave it on if you like, but you said that early Americans easily knew the truth, and I just questioned you on it.


81 posted on 09/13/2004 10:30:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: hispanarepublicana
...impeach their own credibility to defend the authenticity of memos that are almost certainly forgeries?

They are forgeries. No qualifier is needed. I have yet to read in any MSM article that these are forgeries. Even NRO feels the need to lend some credence that these documents are authentic.

82 posted on 09/13/2004 10:30:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cboldt
Pure, unadulterated BS there, Howie

This is Stan Kurtz, not Howie.

83 posted on 09/13/2004 10:32:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: hispanarepublicana
The Trojan Horse is in the gate within the walls...
Discussions about: Is it a quarter horse, Arabian or Shetland are silly...

Fumfering about what to do about the Trojan Horse ? is only done by cowards..

Ann Coulters book "Treason" layed out some of the history about this assault on the Republic.... The book "BIAS"... and many others outlined the "horse" in minor detail...
And David Horowitz has detailed how academia is feeding the Trojan Horse and is in league with the troops inside..

The only thing NOT outlined as far I know is how the FCC is a party to it all. 1st amendment be damned, you cannot yell legally FIRE in a theater BUT you can subvert the Republic by propaganda and dissimulation... Converting a republic to a democracy is sedition.. and who cannot see America is in fact a democracy now... even PBS is a vector for this in your face sedition.. The CBS fake memos are merely teasers to a much larger story.. BUT we cannot even impeach an obvious traitor from the White House and charge him with treason..

The FCC grants licenseing to these people.. I say make Gordon Liddy the head of the FCC... right after makeing socialism a crime in the U.S. Communism IS socialism and socialism is Americas biggest threat.. not the terrorists..

The odds of any of this happening... ZERO....
Socialism is the disease that America is carrying and probably the only cure is a revolution... just as the founders of this country predicted would be needed. The only thing they did not forsee was the de-balling of America. America is too feminized to be a threat to the real invaders. As they laugh at us and manipulate the female vote and other groups addicted to their feelings and opinions, many try to look busy with minutia... Was pretty smart of Americas enemies to enact the Federal Reserve and give Women the vote at about the same time.. quite crafty of them...

84 posted on 09/13/2004 10:34:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Good post!


85 posted on 09/13/2004 10:39:53 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: LS
This is a brilliant piece, though he isn't as alone as he thinks in perceiving these trends---they are the basis for a book I'ves sent to my agent called "First, the Bad News." But this represents a 360-degree circle back to where "news" was in the Jacksonian period, namely where EVERY publication was "biased" and people knew it and treated the contents accordingly. Papers carried the name "Arkansas Democrat" or "Columbus Republican."

Excellent observation. In point of fact, this is the situation that obtains globally. In Europe, Japan, etc. the newspapers and other media have a definite political slant, which is well known to everyone. They have their own audiences and are used to counterbalance one another. If we move away from this idea of so-called objectivity by the MSM, we would be better off. At least, there would be a major MSM voice castigating CBS and Rather about these forgeries. Even Fox feels compelled to restrain its criticism and just express some doubt.

With the liberals exercising a virtual monopoly over the MSM, a proconservative MSM outlet would carve out a significant part of the market. Fox has edged in that direction, but it seems intimidated by the attacks from the Left. Enough of fair and balanced and more of advocacy and adversarial journalism.

86 posted on 09/13/2004 10:45:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Heheheh, Stan Kurtz, Howie Kurtz, what's the difference (sigh) ... jumping to conclusions again, I am. Thanks for watching my backside!


87 posted on 09/13/2004 10:47:42 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kabar

I agree, except you need some token libs on if only to discredit their arguments~!


88 posted on 09/13/2004 10:50:18 AM PDT by LS
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To: hispanarepublicana

bmp


89 posted on 09/13/2004 10:52:18 AM PDT by beebuster2000 (while we're sleepin some one else is creepin)
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To: stuartcr
"objective" and "neutral"...does that equal "fair" and "balanced"...?

And your contention is...???

90 posted on 09/13/2004 10:52:57 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: stuartcr
Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry
91 posted on 09/13/2004 10:56:55 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Mainstream media has not moved left. They've been left since Viet Nam. It's just that up until fairly recently there weren't enough people pointing it out to make it well known.

While CNN reported that the war plan had changed in Operation Iraqi Freedom (even though they didn't have access to the war plan) and that U.S. forces were bogged down in the sandstorm and had outrun their supply lines (also false), the Republican Guard hunkered down south of Bagdad, waiting for the assault.

Meanwhile back in the real world, Tommy Franks was informed that the Republican Guard had been immobile for the last 16 hours outside of Bagdad, so he smashed the Republican Guard for three days with PGM's (which don't care about the weather or CNN broadcasts).

CNN had unwittingly served as an effective propaganda machine for the U.S. led forces as it turned out. How funny is that?

The moral of the story...When CBS or the New York Times, etc., broadcasts or prints liberal biased complete bullshit, they create opportunities for the other side to destroy them.





92 posted on 09/13/2004 11:00:30 AM PDT by planekT
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To: hispanarepublicana

These are some of the Communist goals written into the congressional record in 1963, by a democrat congressman. Check out nrs. 20 and 21:

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

Call liberals what you want to. If the goals are the same, what would you call them?


93 posted on 09/13/2004 11:18:24 AM PDT by ampat
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To: ampat
CBS
94 posted on 09/13/2004 11:19:30 AM PDT by granite (IT IS UP TO US NOW.)
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To: okie01

I was comparing the MSM, which you said contends that its reporting is "objective" and "neutral", not informed by an "opinion", one way or the other. As such, they are being dishonest.... to Fox's "fair" and "balanced" reporting.


95 posted on 09/13/2004 11:20:25 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: cyncooper

It seems that if it were that good proof, everyone would agree.


96 posted on 09/13/2004 11:26:50 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: stuartcr
...to Fox's "fair" and "balanced" reporting.

But Fox is what they advertise.

They are "fair" in the sense that, what they present as straight news, is indeed straight and uncolored by any discernible political bias.

They are "balanced" in the sense that, what they present as opinion, is a.) labelled as such and b.) adequately represents both the liberal and conservative viewpoint (i.e., the "conservative" isn't a "token", like Tucker Carlson, who's a wuss, or Bob Novak, who's a registered Democrat).

You disagree with this? If so, why?

97 posted on 09/13/2004 11:31:44 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: hispanarepublicana
The goal is no longer to reform the mainstream media, but to expose it for the partisan political player it is, so as to pull as many doubters as possible into alternative outlets.

We exposed what CBS did, and people signed on to FR in record numbers.

98 posted on 09/13/2004 11:33:05 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: okie01

OK, you're 100 pct correct.


99 posted on 09/13/2004 11:34:48 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: Cacique
While you're not exactly shouting, you are raising your voice. And, truthfully, bold statements are harder to read than regular statements.
100 posted on 09/13/2004 11:35:49 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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