Of course, there is an alternative path that the peaceful muslims could turn to and still worship the same God:
And unlike mad man Mo', there are no calls for the death of any artist or actor who would choose to portray Him in a respectful manner.
Posted on 09/13/2004 7:57:35 AM PDT by MegaSilver
The media in the United States have been oddly fastidious in failing to report one aspect of last week’s horror in Beslan: that several Russian girls were raped by Muslim terrorists in front of their parents and classmates. The failure to report rapes in the Russian school was at odds with the eagerness of American journalists, a decade ago, to report ad nauseam on the entirely fictitious "rape camps" supposedly run by Bosnian Serbs in which Muslim women were allegedly subjected to similar degradation.
That Muslim propagandists and their Western abettors should have resorted to this particular whopper is especially galling in view of Islam’s encouragement of violence against women in general, and its explicit blessing of rape of captive non-Muslim women by Muslims in particular. The behavior of Chechen terrorists in Beslan, disgusting in every gory detail by the standards of civilized humanity, was justified by the tenets of Islam and by the personal example of the cult’s inventor, Muhammad.
Having established himself as the ruler of Medina, Muhammad attacked the Jewish tribe of Banu-‘l-Mustaliq in December of A.D. 626. His followers slaughtered many Jewish tribesmen and looted thousands of their camels and sheep. They also kidnapped 500 of their women. The night after the battle Muhammad and his brigands staged an orgy of rape. As one of the brigands, Abu Sa’id Khudri, later remembered, a legal problem needed to be resolved first: In order to obtain ransom from the surviving Jews for the captive women, Muslims had pledged not to violate them:
We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the Azl [coitus interruptus]. We asked the Prophet about it and he said: "You are not under any obligation not to do it like that."
Having ethnically cleansed and robbed of property all but one of three Jewish clans in Medina, in A.D. 627 Muhammad decided to deal with the last, Banu Qurayzah. He offered the men conversion as an alternative to death. Upon their unsurprising refusal, some 900—exact numbers are unknown—were decapitated, one by one, in a ditch surrounding their encampment, in front of their women and children. Muhammad’s Einsatzgruppen worked hard: Torches had to be lit so that the slaughter could be accomplished in one day. The women, thus widowed or orphaned, were raped that same night. Muhammad chose as his concubine one Raihana bint Amr, whose father and husband were both slaughtered before her eyes only hours earlier. (Such treatment of the victims had been duly sanctioned by a prophetic revelation in the Kuran.)
In his early years, as a powerless and often ridiculed outsider in Mecca, Muhammad had enumerated the series of temptations which could enslave human beings: The passion for women, the desire for male children, the thirst for gold and silver, spirited horses, and the possession of cattle and land (Kuran, 3:12). Once enthroned in Medina as the head of a theocratic statelet, he wanted to possess them all. Muhammad freely admitted that two things in the world, women and perfume, attracted him—so much so that he departed from his own laws in pursuit of both. Contrary to his own regulations he had at least 15 wives (some sources claim up to 25). The youngest was Aisha, who was seven years old when Muhammad—44 years her senior—"married" her. Two years later, 53-year-old Muhammad consummated this liaison and raped the girl of nine left under his control.
The sordid story of Muhammad’s "marriage" to Aisha reflected a mind-set and a lifestyle. Rape of enslaved women came naturally to Muhammad. A Christian slave woman by the name of Maryah aroused his passion for nights on end, which provoked a rebellion in his harem. Divine assistance was, in the end, needed to restore order in the household, with the Kuranic verse duly advising Muhammad not to restrain himself from "that which Allah has made lawful" (66:1–3).
Even more scandalous was the case of Zeinab, the wife of Zayd, Muhammad’s adopted son. Lusting after her, Muhammad ordered Zayd to divorce her and took Zeinab as yet another wife. The deal was soon sanctioned by another revelation from Allah: "there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them" (36:37).
These examples indicate that the status of women in Islam is comparable to that of the human rights in Cuba: theoretically exalted, deplorable in practice. The sources of true Islam—the Kuran and Hadith—provide the basis for theory and subsequent Shari’a practice regarding the role of women. When a judge in Pakistan recently sentenced a young woman to death for "adultery" by stoning after she had been raped by her husband’s brother, he had merely followed the Kuranic law. The fact the woman, Zafran Bibi, was raped was of no consequence: She was still guilty of "having intercourse outside of marriage."
Violence against women is also condoned, even mandated, in Islam. Allah mandates that the disobedient wives are to be beaten (4:34). As the authoritative Azhar University scholars in Cairo explain, "the Qur’an bestows on man the right to straighten her out by way of punishment and beating, provided he does not break her bones nor shed blood." Physical violence against one’s wife is divinely ordained and practically advised in Islam. In Muhammad’s rendering of the story of the righteous Job, Allah ordered him to beat his wife: "Take in thine hand a branch and smite therewith and break not thine oath" (38:44).
Some Muslim apologists claim that the Islamic teaching and practice is in line with the findings of clinical psychology. Beating is beneficial to them, we are told, because "women’s rebelliousness (nushuz) is a medical condition" based either on her masochistic delight in being beaten and tortured or sadistic desire to hurt and dominate her husband. Either way,
beating is her remedy. So the Qur’anic command: ‘banish them to their couches, and beat them’ agrees with the latest psychological findings in understanding the rebellious woman. This is one of the scientific miracles of the Qur’an, because it sums up volumes of the science of psychology about rebellious women (The Australian Minaret, Australian Federation of the Islamic Councils, November 1980, p.10).
Islam stands or falls with the person of Muhammad, a flawed man by the standards of his own society, as well as those of the Old and New Testaments (both of which he acknowledged as divine revelation). He was flawed even by his new law, of which he claimed to be the divinely appointed medium and custodian. The horror unleashed by Chechen terrorists on Russian children in Beslan, and the rape of adolescent girls in particular, is the fruit of Muhammad’s example.
The problem of Islam, and the problem of the rest of the world with Islam, is in its claim that the words and acts of Muhammad provide the universally valid standard of morality and behavior for all time. Islam, in Muhammad’s texts and its codification, discriminates against women. It is extremely offensive. Those who submit to that faith must solve the problem they set themselves. Islam further discriminates against all "unbelievers." Until the petrodollars support a Kuranic revisionism that does not, we must go for it with whips and scorpions, hammer and tongs.
Yes, sadly at the expense of real news, and they can't race to tell pound it into us fast enough. This line in the article says it all:
The media in the United States have been oddly fastidious in failing to report one aspect of last week’s horror in Beslan: that several Russian girls were raped by Muslim terrorists in front of their parents and classmates.
In their effort to make Islam look good and Christianity and everyone else look bad, they are failing to report news. Actual news. To the detriment of us all. They have become bloated with their own self-importance, much like the DNC, and in the fashion of the old soviets or other marxist/socialist state. They will decide what we need to know, they will tell us what we need to know it, when they decide we need to know it. Anything else is unsubstantiated rumor and we should quietly wait for their next directive.
Many of the so-called 'news' agencies have ceased being 'news' and are one giant op-ed, with only one opinion allowed.
I don't think anybody is stating that all Muslims or even most Muslims would rape little children.
That is patently absurd.
But what is manifestly evident is the persistent pattern of outageously antisocial behavior by terrorist groups which are, for the most part, exclusively Muslim, the fact that the mass of Muslims do NOT condemn such activity, that an uncomfortable number of so-called Islamic clerics actually approve of and encourage such behavior, that the major media obivously glosses over these activities, and justification for committing them can be very easily found in Islamic foundation documents and the behaviour of Mohammad himself, who - although he lived in a far different time than today - demonstrated a personality radically different from that of Christ and of most major Israelite prophets and preachers.
Your friend is correct that there are sanitized translations of the Quran out there.
As a matter of fact in many countries the people only hear the Quran read in Arabic, which is a foreign language to them.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
The pile of crap called the Koran was not written by the perverted, child molester. He couldn't read or write. It was compiled by his followers from scraps of conversation they wrote down. Little wonder it is such garbage.
Right! Fraud covered by the name of religion.
As I have said - if Muslims want to keep their religion - they will have to break off and create a new group with a new name. Terrorists and radicals have hijacked their religion for Satan's use.
To stay a Muslim means you consort with Satan's evil.
To stay a Muslim insults the god they worship. Why would any choose to do so?
It is not our responsibility to honor all Muslims' freedom of religion so that they can harbor evil. It is their responsibility to insure their religion is not taken over by those that would dishonor their god. They are failing miserably.
Would any of us remain in a religion denomination that harbored terrorist activity in the name of our Lord? It would be an affront to our Lord. Would any of us stay in a denomination that condoned murder, rape, beheadings? No, it would be an assault of what God wanted and He would condemn all. Evil of the devil has no place in God's religion and apparently Allah's if what regular Muslims claim is true.
Why would any normal Muslim allow the affront to the god they worshipped? Praying five times a day? Why not purify their ranks?
The slave rape thing comes from the Haddiths, rather than the Quran.
The Haddiths are where the true horror shines through. That is why you can go to any library and not find them there. Whenever one shows up in a public library, a Muslim checks it out and "forgets" to return it.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
<< Clinton and the democrats murdered 3000 innocent Serb civilians in their support for the Balkan IslamoFascists. The Serbs have been on the front lines of civilization fighting Islam for a thousand years. >>
"Cli'ton and the 'DemocRATS'" AND their Neo-Axis charter member Tiny Bloody Blair [And their Neo-Soviet, Neo-Axis Euro-peon mates] -- having picked up from where Herr Shickelgruber knocked off 50 years earlier -- jointly and severally and collectively murdered those Serbs.
And as the world's then most dangerous dullard observed around that time, them "leopards don't change their stripes!"
5000 years of recorded history proves that "Peace" can never be "negotiated"; the losers must beg for it.
Ping
"Up to 40,000 Russian Muslims took part Tuesday, September 7, in a nationwide rally in protest at the hostage-taking school tragedy in the southern city of Beslan that claimed the lives of hundreds of people, mostly children. "
Too little, too late.
Muhammed also had a Christian slave, the Coptic woman Mariyam.
Mary/Mariya the Copt/Christian was a wife [concubine] of the Holy Prophet according to Sahih Muslim vol.4 footnote p.2835. p.1351. Mary the Copt gave birth to Mohammed’s son Ibrahim in al-Tabari vol.9 p.39. He died when he was two years old. The Muslim emissary Hatib b. Abi Balta’ah returned from al-Muqawqis [Egypt] with Mariya [Mary the Copt], her sister Sirin, a female mule, sets of garments, and a eunuch. Hatib invited them to become Muslims, and the two women did so [according to Tabari]. Mariyah was beautiful, and Mohammed sent her sister Sirin to Hassan b. Thabit. Sirin and Hassan were the parents of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Hassan. al-Tabari vol.8 p.66,131.
A Muslim might say Mohammed had to marry her because she was a gift from Egypt, but her sister Sirin was also a gift, and he did not marry Sirin. Mary was a gift from the governor of Alexandria. al-Tabari vol.39 p.193
It was claimed that Mary became a Muslim, but Mohammed still kept her as a slave rather than a regular wife. al-Tabari vol.39 p.194
Mary the Copt died in 637/638 A.D. al-Tabari vol.39 p.22
Compare the spin on this story of "rebel" soldiers to the coverage we got for weeks about Columbine. There is little to stop just such an attack here other than "it just isn't done in the US". The same could be said for people blowing themselves up in public areas (shopping, dining, dancing...). We have all the security targeting larger/high profile events.
To complete your analysis, putting panties on prisoners' heads is bad/abuse, raping dehydrated children in public and then shooting them in the back is just not something that is discussed in polite company. And "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Just ask Michael Moore who said that the Iraqis who have continued sniping the troops are not "the enemy or terrorists" but rather "minutemen" and "they WILL win". Just ask Hunter S. Thompson who wrote in an ESPN (sports channel!) column that the photos from Abu Ghraib were worse than any of the atrocities committed under the Nazis. Just ask Ted "the Swimmer" Kennedy who said that the defeat of Saddam meant nothing as Abu Ghraib showed us that the torture and rape rooms had reopened just under new (American) management.
This is why we say that these people are PRO-terrorist and ANTI-American. They provide aid and comfort to the Islamonazis who mean to kill and enslave us all.
Ping to Beslan article.
This is a background must read.
Islamic nations convert followers under penalty of death and proscribe the same punishment for those who would seek to leave the faith.
Sounds like a death cult to me.
Of course, there is an alternative path that the peaceful muslims could turn to and still worship the same God:
And unlike mad man Mo', there are no calls for the death of any artist or actor who would choose to portray Him in a respectful manner.
Thank you so much for the ping!
Thank you for the ping. Disgusting on so many levels! I thank God every day I was born in the United States.
Dear lord, this just breaks my heart.
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