The have been proven forgeries.
I believe Mately is the one who analysed the Vince Foster suicide note and pronounced it authentic.
Snooze, lose.
The Mary Mapes name came out over the weekend.
Gannon wouldn't release the article until Monday. Other sources revealed it over the weekend.
This, in the age of electronic information, is old news.
Well, that's kinda huge. So what CBS did was not necessarily verify the documents through Hodges, but instead verified Killian's veracity. Hodge's said "if he wrote them", and CBS reported it as "he wrote them."
Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.From The Contrarian's View, Vol. X, #8, March 29, 1996 .
"He pointed out that CBS has not disclosed the source of the documents. "
Let's see -
James Carville ???
Terry McAuliffe???
Teresa Heinz Kerry ??? (Nahh, she probably hasn't the brains to operate a computer, let alone know any word-processing programs.)
Edwards?? (Nahh, he's an attorney - lying is his profession. He wouldn't screw something like this up.)
Kerry?? (Nahh. He hasn't got the imagination.)
I think it was probably Carville, McAuliffe. one of theirt creatures .... OR, an agent of CBS itself.
Read later - send to private email distribution.
"..Mapes was threatened with imprisonment if she failed to turn over the transcript..."
The Society of Professional Journalists gave her the 2000 First Amendment Award for her stand against a district judge's order to turn over tapes of the interview of CBS news magazine "60 Minutes II" with murder defendant Shawn Allen.
Washington Prowler
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By The Prowler
Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM
More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.
The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.
"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."
The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."
The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.
According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."
A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.
"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."
The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.
Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."
ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.
According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096
"60 Minutes II" Executive Producer Jeffrey Fager would also be on the endangered list, since his show originated the document story.
And guess what other story Fager was involved with
Go head .. take a guess
I thought the forgeries had been shopped to all sorts of people and outlets? Why does it matter about this chick? The only important thing is to learn who shopped the docs and where that person got them.
Well, yes Dan because if the documents are false then your whole story is predicated on a total lie. Even we simple minded "partisan political operatives" understand that. You are starting to make people gag with your obvious partisanship. Any slight belief you might be impartial is gone forever. If you haven't been fired by next week I am going to assume you have photographs of your boss in conjugal bliss with a 9 year old boy. You are going down and you are taking that has been network with you.
That's a lot different than what SeeBS reported on Hodges. According to SeeBS, Hodges said, concurringly, that, "that's what Killian said." They really know how to spin reality.
CBS News producer Mary Mapes avoided being sent to jail last week when the network agreed to publish on the Internet the transcript of an interview done by anchor Dan Rather for 60 Minutes II with a man now on trial for a racially charged dragging death in Jasper, Texas. Releasing the information fulfilled the court's demand for the transcripts; which was made with the threat of putting Mapes in jail. Explaining the move, CBS President Andrew He...
Broadcasting & Cable; 11/15/1999
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1G1:57821134&refid=ink_pub_s3&skeyword=&teaser=
Rather then went on to say: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."
On April 28, 60 II was first with the shocking photographs of Americans abusing Iraqi prisoners. The scoop was the result of more than two months' legwork by 60 II producer Mary Mapes, Fager says.
"We knew we were sitting on a bombshell," he says. "None of us could have predicted the kind of impact it would have on the direction of the war, or that it would become a kind of symbol."
http://www.thestate.com/mld/philly/entertainment/columnists/gail_shister/8822876.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
What goes around......
Man, I don't know the exact equities with regard to the rest of the story about who gave what National Guard documents to whom and why, but this piece just falls into place with a click. This is divine retribution for that tremendous stab-in-the-back that Rather, Mapes, and CBS delivered to America by going worldwide with the Abu Ghraib photos.
No mere story about bad conduct by young reservists, about poor or no supervision, or about prisoners having been maltreated. No, Mapes and Rather had to go worldwide with the actual photos, the one course of action guaranteed to infuriate many Arabs and the one most likely to destroy American policy in Iraq, and the Administration that formulated it. This is exactly what I think Rather and CBS intended to do with Abu Ghraib.
So now, to see them take it in the ear, hard, is just sweet justice dished up the way they earned it.
When caught in a lie.... Keep lying. No reason to come clean now.