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Those Discredited Memos (FR Mentioned)
NY Times ^ | September 13, 2004 | WILLIAM SAFIRE

Posted on 09/12/2004 10:13:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

Washington Alert bloggers who knew the difference between the product of old typewriters and new word processors immediately suspected a hoax: the "documents" presented by CBS News suggesting preferential treatment in Lt. George W. Bush's National Guard service have all the earmarks of forgeries.

The copies of copies of copies that formed the basis for the latest charges were supposedly typed by Guard officer Jerry Killian three decades ago and placed in his "personal" file. But it is the default typeface of Microsoft Word, highly unlikely to have been used by that Texas colonel, who died in 1984. His widow says he could hardly type and his son warned CBS that the memos were not real.

When the mainstream press checked the sources mentioned or ignored by "60 Minutes II," the story came apart.

The Los Angeles Times checked with Killian's former commander, the retired Guard general whom a CBS executive had said would be the "trump card" in corroborating its charges. But it turns out CBS had only read Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges the purported memos on the phone, and did not trouble to show them to him. Hodges now says he was "misled" - he thought the memos were handwritten - and believes the machine-produced "documents" to be forgeries. (CBS accuses the officer of changing his story.)

The L.A. Times also checked out a handwriting analyst, Marcel Matley (of Vincent Foster suicide-note fame), who CBS had claimed vouched for the authenticity of four memos. It turns out he vouches for only one signature, and no scribbled initials, and has no opinion about the typography of any of the supposed memos.

The Dallas Morning News looked into the charge in one of the possible forgeries dated Aug. 18, 1973, that a commander of a Texas Air Guard squadron was trying to "sugar coat" Bush's service record. It found that the commander had retired from the Guard 18 months before that.

The Associated Press focused on the suspicion first voiced by a blogger on the Web site Freerepublic.com about modern "superscripts" that include a raised th after a number. CBS, on the defense, claimed that "some models" of typewriters of the 70's could do that trick, and some Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House included it.

"That superscript, however," countered The A.P., "is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos." It consulted the document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., and reported "she could testify in court that, beyond a reasonable doubt, her opinion was that the memos were written on a computer."

The Washington Post reported Dan Rather's response to questions about the documents' authenticity: "Until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill" and questioned the critics' "motivation."

After leading with that response, Post media reporter Howard Kurtz noted that the handwriting expert Matley said that CBS had asked him not to give interviews, and that an unidentified CBS staff member who had examined the documents saw potential problems with them: "There's a lot of sentiment that we should do an internal investigation."

Newsweek (which likes the word "discredited") has apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

It may be that CBS is the victim of a whopping journalistic hoax, besmearing a president to bring him down. What should a responsible news organization do?

To shut up sources and impugn the motives of serious critics - from opinionated bloggers to straight journalists - demeans the Murrow tradition. Nor is any angry demand that others prove them wrong acceptable, especially when no original documents are available to prove anything.

Years ago, Kurdish friends slipped me amateur film taken of Saddam's poison-gas attack that killed thousands in Halabja. I gave it to Dan Rather, who trusted my word on sources. Despite objections from queasy colleagues, he put it on the air.

Hey, Dan: On this, recognize the preponderance of doubt. Call for a panel of old CBS hands and independent editors to re-examine sources and papers. Courage.





TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbsnews; killian; memogate; rathegate; rather; safire; tang; williamsafire
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The Washington Post reported Dan Rather's response to questions about the documents' authenticity: "Until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill" and questioned the critics' "motivation."

Rather apparently thinks that the douments are real "until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not" ... that's not the way for a real newsman to approach the burden of proof. Furthermore, one would be well to question his "motivation".

41 posted on 09/13/2004 2:57:20 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The same article has made the German magazine, Der Spiegel.

Link

42 posted on 09/13/2004 3:01:33 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: kcvl

Thanks, good to have!

If Rather doesn't retract the story within a day or two I'm definitely filing a complaint.


43 posted on 09/13/2004 3:03:03 AM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
All efforts has been focused on the type/font and some on the language and dates. But no focus has been put on the fact these are photo copies which can NOT be subjected to scientific testing such as checking rag content of the paper, ink components, carbon dating, measuring paper size, and putting it under a microscope to see if they were produced by a computer printer which would spray/float the ink on the surface of the paper vs the typewriter keystriking the paper and embeding the ink into the paper.

A hunt and peck typist would have a different patter of typing than a proficient typist would produce.

Without 'REAL' scientific testing cBS and 60 mins have diddly squat in evidence!

No defense lawyer worth his salt would let a prosecutor get away with such shoddy evidence as danny boy has presented in a court of law.

44 posted on 09/13/2004 4:27:11 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Travis McGee

Amen Travis!

Now Rather MUST address "the seriousness of the charges".

Safire makes 'em legit in the MSM world.

Can you imagine the comments made behind Rather's back < /snicker /guffaw >?


45 posted on 09/13/2004 4:33:18 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Darkwolf377
"To shut up sources and impugn the motives of serious critics - from opinionated bloggers to straight journalists - demeans the Murrow tradition."

Although I like the Safire piece, I would contend that shutting up sources and impugning motives IS the Murrow tradition, and Safire's incorrect view of the Murrow tradition is convenient at the moment.

46 posted on 09/13/2004 5:41:48 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Anti-Bubba182

How ironic. NYT opinion columnist reports the news since he knows the "reporters" won't do it.


47 posted on 09/13/2004 6:00:28 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Blueflag

Rather is already a laughing stock.

He'll be gone by October: the rest of CBS News will not want to go down with his ship.


48 posted on 09/13/2004 6:56:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thanx for posting.
It would be the only way I would get to read it since I don't even bother to go to the NYT website anymore...

But Safire after revealing all the MSM who contradicts Dan Blather appears to be trying to make excuses for the bias at "See B.S."...

Guess what Safire...that dog won' hunt..
Blather & company just got "punked"...
and now they're the laughing stock of the world!


49 posted on 09/13/2004 9:18:30 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I see nuthing...I hear nuthing...I know nuthing....


50 posted on 09/13/2004 9:52:40 AM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: Ronin

51 posted on 09/13/2004 9:55:44 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: conservative in nyc

True, but then again, we'd just sue.
We have lots of posters, and lost of time on our hands. Haven't you heard? We sit around in our pajamas all day. ; )


52 posted on 09/13/2004 9:57:40 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: wardaddy
Token quasi-conservative is right. Notice he said "... from opinionated bloggers to straight journalists - "

He does write well, however. I always had a sneaking suspicion that he was quidam of days past. It would make sense that if Safire got a tip he could have his alter ego, quidam, run it up the flagpole over here and see if it got shot down.

53 posted on 09/13/2004 10:03:42 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dano1
There are a lot of interesting parallels between this CBS memo story and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story. In both cases the mainstream media felt like they were in control of the clock. They delayed acknowledging known events, with the effect of exacerbating rather than ameliorating the negative impact of stories which played against their candidate.

In military parlance it's called the decison cycle, and thanks to AlGore's Internet, we are most definitely operating "inside" the MSM's timescale. Their relatively few reporters, additonally burdened with bias in a lot of cases, cannot out-investigate thousands of netizens with a wide background of expertise.

54 posted on 09/13/2004 10:17:53 AM PDT by LTCJ (CBS, all your Boyd Cycles are belong to us.)
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To: kcvl

I just called the number for the FCC that you posted.

Toll Free: 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) (You have to deal with a two number menus and finally punching zero got me to a live person.)

The lady seemed nice. She said the FCC has "nothing to do with the content of what television stations air" WHAT!!!???? I discussed that point with her a bit but she was adamant.

So then I mentioned Janet Jackson's breast and she said -"That was different. In that case we got lots and lots of complaints"

Sounds like they are looking for lots and lots of complaints!


55 posted on 09/13/2004 10:20:37 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Ronin
Look up Ronin...


56 posted on 09/13/2004 10:32:09 AM PDT by NewLand (Stop watching ALL network TV if you want to STOP them.)
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To: LTCJ
"Their relatively few reporters, additionally burdened with bias in a lot of cases, cannot out-investigate thousands of netizens with a wide background of expertise."

Excellent point. Similar also to the open source movement in software.

57 posted on 09/13/2004 10:43:58 AM PDT by dano1
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This is the article that Rather cannot run from. It is good summary of the problems with the forgeries. It appears in the NYT. It is written by someone who probably has some affection for Rather unlike me and everyone else on this forum.


58 posted on 09/13/2004 1:34:29 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: mabelkitty

That's a slander! I never FReep wearing pajamas! I'm more of a boxer-short and coffee cup kinda guy.


59 posted on 09/13/2004 2:30:15 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

At the end of this piece, Safire tries to pull Rather's chestnuts from the fire. Pretty much says, "I owe him one 'cause he did me a favor once."

If Rather is complicit, Safire, that is the more important issue.


60 posted on 09/13/2004 2:42:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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