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More challenges about whether Bush documents are authentic
Dallas Morning News ^ | September 11, 2004 | Pete Slover

Posted on 09/11/2004 12:50:42 PM PDT by tdadams

AUSTIN, Texas — The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service record shows.

An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18, 1973.

That added to mounting questions about the authenticity of documents that seem to suggest Bush sought special treatment as a pilot, failed to carry out a superior's order to undergo a physical exam and was suspended from flying for failing to meet Air National Guard standards.

Staudt, who lives in New Braunfels, Texas, did not return calls seeking comment. His discharge paper was among documents obtained by The Morning News from official sources during 1999 research into Bush's Guard record.

A CBS staffer stood by the story, suggesting Staudt could have continued to exert influence over Guard officials. But a former high-ranking Guard official disputed that, saying retirement would have left Staudt powerless.

Authenticity of the memo and three others included in Wednesday's "60 Minutes" report came in for heavy criticism yesterday, prompting an unusual, on-air defense of the original work. Experts on typography said the memos appeared to have been computer-drafted on equipment not available at the time.

And the widow and son of the officer who supposedly wrote them, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984, have said it wasn't his nature to keep detailed personal notes.

In its news broadcast yesterday, CBS said the documents were supported by both unnamed witnesses and others, including document examiners.

CBS anchor Dan Rather earlier told The Dallas Morning News that he had heard nothing to make him question the legitimacy of the memos. He attributed the backlash to partisan politics and competitive journalism.

"This story is true. The questions we raised about then-Lieutenant Bush's National Guard service are serious and legitimate," he said. "Until and unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill."

The Washington Post quoted Rather as saying CBS had talked to two people who worked with Killian — his superior, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges, and his administrative assistant Robert Strong — and both described the memos as consistent with what they knew of Killian. Hodges, who told CBS he was "familiar" with the documents, is an avid Bush supporter and "it took a lot for him to speak the truth," the Post quoted Rather as saying.

The Los Angeles Times, however, later quoted Hodges as saying that he believed the memos from Killian were not real. A CBS news executive confirmed that Hodges had changed his story.

Rather's interview with The Morning News concluded before the newspaper determined the date of Staudt's departure, but a CBS staffer with extensive knowledge of the story said later that the departure doesn't derail the story. "From what we've learned, Staudt remained very active after he retired," the staffer said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He was a very bullying type, and that could have continued."

In the "60 Minutes" report, Rather said of the memo's contents: "Killian says Col. Buck Staudt, the man in charge of the Texas Air National Guard, is putting on pressure to 'sugarcoat' an evaluation of Lt. Bush."

Staudt was the person Bush initially contacted about Guard service, and he was the group commander at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston when Bush arrived there to fly an F-102 jet. He transferred later to Austin, where he served as chief of staff for the Air National Guard.

In the disputed memo, Killian supposedly wrote "(another officer) gave me a message today from group regarding Bush's (evaluation) and Staudt is pushing to sugarcoat it."

It continues: "Austin is not happy either."

The CBS staffer said the memo appears to recognize that Staudt has retired, since it differentiates between his displeasure and that of Austin, where he served his final Guard stint.

But another Texas Air National Guard official who served in that period said the memo appears to wrongly associate Staudt with his group command in Houston, and — based on that mistake — the memo distinguishes his views from that of the Austin Guard.

Retired Col. Earl Lively, director of Air National Guard operations for the state headquarters during 1972 and 1973, said Staudt "wasn't on the scene" after retirement, and that CBS' remote-bullying thesis makes no sense.

"He couldn't bully them. He wasn't in the Guard," Lively said. "He couldn't affect their promotions. Once you're gone from the Guard, you don't have any authority."

Bush has not commented publicly about the CBS report, and aides say his honorable discharge proves he fulfilled his obligations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushmemos; cbs; danrather; forgery; killian; nationalguard; staudt; tang
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To: Lancey Howard

CYA was common in the Navy in the mid-seventies when I was on active duty. What was never used, however, was the notion of writing a "CYA" memo to file.


61 posted on 09/11/2004 2:45:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: advance_copy

Nicely done! I've always wanted to be quoted!


62 posted on 09/11/2004 3:09:29 PM PDT by ChewedGum (aka King of Fools)
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To: Lancey Howard

I went to Vietnam in 1968 and remember that it was commonly
used when I was there. Vienam service 68-69 and 70-71,


63 posted on 09/11/2004 3:22:52 PM PDT by Renatus (C)
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To: AndyJackson; Renatus

Thanks for the replies.
I was in the USMC from '79 - '85 and I never remember hearing or seeing the phrase. (I remember a lot of other interesting phrases though.)

Regards,
LH


64 posted on 09/11/2004 3:37:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Inspectorette

Pat Cadell, yes he is the one.


65 posted on 09/11/2004 3:47:57 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Lancey Howard
I first heard the expression used by a recently discharged Air Force veteran in about 1972. I was in college working a bunch of part-time jobs and he was a new hire in the printing warehouse where I worked. I graduated in 1973 and went to work for a printer where, coincidentally, I used an IBM Composer.

No one would have used this IBM beast for typing memos, its only purpose was to set type for camera-ready art work. It was a pain to use but it did proportionally space type. I have a Selectric I Typewriter in the basement still and it does allow one to choose 10 or 12 pitch spacing but in either pitch, the letters are evenly spaced.

66 posted on 09/11/2004 3:57:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: politeia
The so called "main stream media" have become merely priviledged partisan players in an elite game of Presidential politics. They no longer serve a beneficial public purpose in my opinion; indeed, as evidenced by this example, they are an active menace to democratic self-government. Their so-called "entertainment" programs also degrade the culture and befoul the atmosphere in which we attempt to raise our children to be decent human beings and responsible citizens. Please explain to me why in the age of cable and satelite we should continue to grant broadcast licenses to these despicable excuses for "business?"
The First Amendment was turned on its head by the institution of nominally objective journalism. To claim to be objective is to claim to be wise, and to claim to be wise is to reject the idea that you can learn something new. That is why the explicitly conservative talk show host is less tendentious than the "objective" journalist.

The FCC, and especially the Fairness Doctrine, institutionalized the conceit of "objectivity" in law. The First Amendment, OTOH, presumes that we-the-people will just have to muddle along without having objective news sources.


67 posted on 09/11/2004 4:15:46 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: AndyJackson

You got that right.

And to slander Staudt by saying he would try to throw his weight around is insulting to him personally, and as a professional soldier.

He and Zell Miller should get their dueling pistols and hunt these dirtbags down.


68 posted on 09/11/2004 5:47:36 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
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To: tdadams
"Until and unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill."

This from the guy who won't tell us where the documents came from? ROTLMAO!

69 posted on 09/11/2004 5:59:50 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: tdadams
"He was a very bullying type, and that could have continued."

Another defamation lawsuit in the making. This time it's not a public official or other person in the public arena. Makes suing for defamation even easier. Keep digging Dan.

70 posted on 09/11/2004 6:01:41 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: tioga
CBS is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If they got the fake documents from the DNC which is likely they can't come out and say that because that would cause major fallout for them, the DNC and Kerry.

Therefore they have to stick to the story no matter what.

Anyone including CBS that continues to claim that these documents are real are going to get crushed. I really don't think there can be any other outcome. The emperor has no cloths and everyone can see that for themselves.
71 posted on 09/11/2004 6:15:52 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: DB
The emperor has no cloths and everyone can see that for themselves.

God Bless the internet, where the light shines on the truth for all to see.

72 posted on 09/11/2004 6:59:19 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tdadams

It's like divining voter intent in Florida. Liberals "feel" that this is so, so it must be.


73 posted on 09/11/2004 7:22:37 PM PDT by JENINMO
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To: AFPhys

Good summary post BUMP.


74 posted on 09/12/2004 1:51:58 AM PDT by LTCJ (CBS, all your Boyd Cycles are belong to us.)
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