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Rather says Matley vouched for 4 memos, Matley says he vouched for only one.
LATIMES ^ | 09/11/04 | James Rainey and Elizabeth Jensen

Posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:36 AM PDT by Pikamax

...As another of the corroborating experts for its report, CBS and Rather presented an on-air interview with Marcel B. Matley, a San Francisco document examiner. Rather said Matley had corroborated the four Killian memos.

But in an interview with The Times, the analyst said he had only judged a May 4, 1972, memo — in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical — to be authentic.

He said he did not form a judgment on the three other disputed memos because they only included Killian's initials and he did not have validated samples of the officer's initials to use for comparison.

A CBS official who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the network had two other document experts, who CBS did not identify, examine the documents, which were copies of the originals.

The experts studied the type font or style, spacing and other variables and deemed the memos legitimate, said the official.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; killian; marcelmatley; matley; medialies; rather; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:37 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

YEP! Legitimate COPIES! Copies of WHAT?


2 posted on 09/11/2004 9:30:19 AM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: Pikamax
GASP!!!

You mean that Dan Rather...lied?!

3 posted on 09/11/2004 9:30:22 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Pikamax

CBS gets more clintonesque every hour on this story . . . .


4 posted on 09/11/2004 9:31:16 AM PDT by smonk
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To: Henchman

Considering these were copies, then my question is, how hard is it to superimpose someone's signature on them?


5 posted on 09/11/2004 9:31:16 AM PDT by Bigh4u2
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To: Pikamax; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Grampa Dave; AFPhys

I want Rather to release all the documents that he has.
All of them.
How do we know he isn't fabricating them to correct the discrepancies right now?
If they have been authenticated by their little "experts", he has no reason to withhold them.


6 posted on 09/11/2004 9:32:37 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: smonk
CBS gets more clintonesque every hour on this story

That's because they are a political organization and not a news one.
7 posted on 09/11/2004 9:32:47 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Pikamax

Bump!


8 posted on 09/11/2004 9:35:02 AM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: Pikamax

Uh oh. That leaves three documents for Blather to try to explain away. It's tough when your own expert witness publicly contradicts you.


9 posted on 09/11/2004 9:36:46 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Pikamax

Don't you know..."It's not the documents that matter but the truth of the story". If I hear that line one more time... Oh, well, they will soon have to drop it as the evidence becomes overwhelming.

But let's not allow the forgery story to die, be buried by the tragedy of Ivan or another missing pregnant mother or whatever. As they did wtih Sandy Berger.


10 posted on 09/11/2004 9:37:34 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Enterprise

It must really suck to be him.


11 posted on 09/11/2004 9:38:30 AM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Pikamax

Amazing. This is the THIRD expert that says CBS duped them. Will CNN, MSNBC or Fox do an expose?


12 posted on 09/11/2004 9:38:48 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Pikamax
This is getting better and better.

The "expert" is only a "handwriting expert", nothing to do with typewriters, etc.

Since what he was were copies of copies of copies of copies etc. what he saw could easily be a xeroxed signature from another document!!!

All the typewriter and document, (as opposed to handwriting) experts say it's cheap, default MS Word document.

I'm a retired TV reporter. Trust me, this isn't even close to being enough to go with on the air.

Last night's Ratherism was basically his version of Clinton's "I didn;t have sex with that typewriter, Miss Microsoft!!!"

Like Clinton, had Dan gone on the air and said:

"We screwed up,
I'm sorry,
We got the docs from XYZ in the Kerry campaign,
I'm very sorry."

this all would have blown over in 3 weeks. Now like Monica, it will go on for years.

When you have bad news:

Tell it all
Tell it now
Tell it yourself
Ask for forgiveness.

and virtually anything will go away. Try to stonewall... and it will be with you forever.
13 posted on 09/11/2004 9:41:42 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: lavrenti

The integrity of Dan Rather and CBS News.
14 posted on 09/11/2004 9:42:38 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Partisan Political Operative)
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To: Henchman
YEP! Legitimate COPIES! Copies of WHAT?

Copies of copies. Rather said that the documents cBS obtained had been copied and faxed a number of times. I was wondering what kind of conclusion to draw from his comment.

Perhaps his theory is, that if a 32 year old document, produced by a typewriter, is faxed and copied enough, it will transmutate itself into an exact replica of a WORD DOC.

I've been testing this theory since yesterday. Right now I have to go out and buy another 10,000 sheets of copy paper.

15 posted on 09/11/2004 9:43:17 AM PDT by slimer ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato)
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To: Pikamax

and you wonder why FOX with 50 million less homes beats 2 mainstream networks (COMBINED!) during the Repub convention?


16 posted on 09/11/2004 9:43:55 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: Pikamax

If I mail into CBS copies of a memo I have proving that Dan Rather mindmelded with Sgt. Bilko in the late 1950s, do you think CBS will run with the story.


17 posted on 09/11/2004 9:45:06 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: BunnySlippers

It's hard to sink lower than election-year forgery, but even here, the old adage about the cover-up being worse than the crime appears to be accurate. CBS has dealt only superficially with a fraction of the questions, and all their witnesses and "experts" appear to be crapping out on them, claiming to have been misused or misquoted. Rather really raised the stakes last night. Still unclear why the network would so quickly and blindly follow him off the cliff.


18 posted on 09/11/2004 9:45:12 AM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: ScottFromSpokane
You mean that Dan Rather...lied?!

No, Dan Rather is the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy! That conspiracy is being lead by the experts that CBS hired and relied upon to verify the truth of the story.

After all CBS hired the handwritting expert who "convinced" the media that Vince Foster's suicide note was real and CBS used Jim Murray, who has ties to the Clintons to verify background information on the story. That is why this has to be a vast right wing conspiracy, all these people with close Clinton ties could never do anything of questionable accuracy, so it must all be the fault of a clever George W Bush trying to trap poor Dan Rather and his Clinton-cronie expert advisers......(/sarcasm).

I sincerely hope that Dan Rather's biased career ends because of this dispicable episode in TV "news." I think that even the Nazi Propaganda ministers would be embarssed by this kind of obvious attempt to politically smear someone.

This should be a defining moment for main stream media. They should ask why Fox New had more viewers of the Republican convention than the main stream TV channels. They should ask what the public things of the main stream media after the various New York Times revelations and now this. I for one will continue to watch Fox News for my TV news and go to Free Republic and Drudge Report for my national/international news.

19 posted on 09/11/2004 9:45:33 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Pikamax

How can you vouvh for anything from copies? You can't test the paper or ink. And even if the fonts match, and these don't, the memos could still be on modern paper and printed with modern ink. Gee, do you suppose that's why CBS was happy with only the copies?


20 posted on 09/11/2004 9:45:49 AM PDT by mewzilla
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