LOL. look at the K. What are that odds that the tops of the K would define a perfectly horizontal line, as if they had been cut out of another document with a ruler.
Forged signature is worse for Rather of course, but even an "authentic" sig doesn't help him, as he has admitted he was working from copies, which could have easily had photoshopped authentic sigs.
No one in Rather's crowd has explained why they only had copies anyway, and why they were such bad ones. These papers (probably copied 15 times each from their appearance) are from a "personal file"? Yeah, right. Who amongst us has anything like that in a personal file, regardless of our careers?
If these are copies, you can cut/paste any signatures.
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I'm no expert, but in just eyeballing them I can see they don't match--
The real sigs he writes out his first name and middle initital in the memos he doesn't.
Also the slant is all wrong. in the real sig the letters are all heavily slated, not in the memos
the double ll-s in the real signature are all looped. in the memo they are not.
Even a layman can see this is not the same signature. Not even close.
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I don't think we should put too much emphasis on these signatures as it plays right into CBS's hands. The documents could still be forged and the signatures be Killian's, copied from another document.
The signatures on the CBS documents are so obviously fake that the handwriting "expert" used by CBS will probably never be used again by anyone.
So what does CBS' own expert say about verifying copies of documents? "In fact, modern copiers and computer printers are so good that they permit easy fabrication of quality forgeries. From a copy, the document examiner cannot authenticate the unseen original but may well be able to determine that the unseen original is false. Further, a definite finding of authenticity for a signature is not possible from a photocopy, while a definite finding of falsity is possible."
- Marcel Matley, The Practical Litigator, September 27, 2002
http://d2d.ali-aba.org/_files/thumbs/components/PLIT0209-MATLEY_thumb.pdf
Forget the signatures and all the typography evidence. The question is simple. Where are the ORIGINALS????????? Why copies at all??? Don't the crooks who stole the documents have the ORIGINALS??????? Dan, just produce the REAL docs and this will all be over!!!!!! You do have real docs don't you????? Real doc do exist, don't they DAnny Boy????
Well Big Mouth, where are they????????????????
You are absolutely right. I made a post yesterday making some of the same points, but drew out only a couple of naysayers. My post is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1212699/posts if you are interested in my take. I bow to you for doing a more thorough job of it.
I noticed a third CBS signature that I do not recognize on the page you linked to. I have only seen 4 CBS memos, of which 2 were signed. Are there more? The rightmost CBS signature does not match the other two: were there two forgers of did they figure out after a while that their fake signatures were unconvincing?
Washington DC local CBS affiliate show just played "Inside Washington" and addressed this story. That is, they addressed the National Guard "controversy."
Did President Bush have preference getting in? Fulfill his obligations?
Moderator says Globe & AP said no, he did not meet obligation.
Screechy liberal female Nina Totenberg said No, he probably did, not but she doesn't care but it is an issue because the SwiftVets have questioned the service of a genuine war hero.
Krauthammer says Pres Bush may have missed a couple of drills but that is not a scandal. He said what IS a scandal is CBS using false documents that can only be produced by a modern word processor.
He was then cut off and the next panelist went off on a tangent about Kerry needing to get back on target.
I am pinning this exchange into this thread. This Marcel Matley guy is a fraud who either didn't or couldn't point out even a single problem with the document's signatures. He also happens to be connected with the Vince Foster suicide note. Hmmmmmmmm.
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DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.
HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVEBEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES.
DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.
HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.
Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.
I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."
Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.
Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."
Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."
Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."
LOL. look at the K. What are that odds that the tops of the K would define a perfectly horizontal line, as if they had been cut out of another document with a ruler.