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Hodges says he didn't validate memos for CBS...
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Posted on 09/11/2004 8:02:54 AM PDT by David Noles

"In another challenge to CBS, Killian's boss, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, told ABC News that he regards the documents as a computer "fraud," never saw them in the 1970s and didn't validate them for CBS. A senior CBS official had claimed to the Washington Post that Hodges had validated the documents. During his national news broadcast, Rather claimed "partisan political operatives" are challenging the memos but omitted the fact that Killian's widow and son dispute them...”

The NewYorkPost has a news story that reveals CBS anchor Dan Rather may have caught in their own fraudulent claims. At issue: the Bush memos and CBS’s claim that retired Major Gen. Bobby W. Hodges had validated the memos. The problem: Major Ge. Hodges denies he validated them.

On his CBS News show Friday, Rather there's no "definitive evidence" to refute the authenticity of documents about President Bush's National Guard service — and closed with this:

"If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none."

Meanwhile, the ‘unimpeachable’ CBS evidence continues to be questioned. CBS/Rather made much about their analysis expert, Marcel Matley. But according to the Post article:

But Matley is primarily a handwriting expert whose expertise in document evaluation has been challenged by the head of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners.

Matley spoke only about a signature and initials purported to be those of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian — "they are his signatures" — though two of the four memos are unsigned.

Another glaring problem: the documents obtained by CBS are not originals. They are only photocopies, and this sends up a big red flag with document experts. Excerpt from Post article:

Allan Haley — a typeface expert at Agfa Monotype — said anyone who claims to definitively authenticate a photocopy "is either guessing or is a fool."

But perhaps the more insulting claim during Rather’s Friday rebuttal was this: Rather said ‘partisan political operatives’ were challenging the memos. Did he mean to include Killian’s widow and son as ‘political operatives’??? Both are hotly contesting the validity of the documents. Killian’s widow says her deceased husband did not type. And Killian’s son says they are not authentic.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; hodges; killian; rathergate; selectricgate
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To: David Noles

Dan Blather?


21 posted on 09/11/2004 8:46:17 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: Republic
I think Rather's "posture" during his latest "they are authentic" speech shows him to be very nervous about this.

It sounds like a "deny, deny, deny thing which leads us back to Clinton.

I think he is going to get challenged with a subpeona...not sure by whom but I don't think this is over.

My big thing with the memos is the last digit of the dates (year) on the memo to file that I printed out wind up in the same column if I overlay them even though they were written 15 months apart...indicating the possibility of someone using right margin flush. It also indicates the same person probably typed them. The other thing that caught my eye was the comma after transferred in the May 19 1972 memo as he broke his style and the comma is distorted as if someone had overwritten a period. The b of the next word is also VERY different from other "b"s in the memo.

Regardless, Rather has blatantly challenged everyone which will probably lead to an order to "produce the originals and your source". As long as he's using them as Military Documents, I believe they will be scrutinized as such.

But the real issue becomes (And Kerry is being very stupid here) : Did everyone in the National Guard "make a phone call"? Their service wasn't service at all? It was a useless part of our government? And going to Canada was a higher calling? Kerry doesn't think. If I were him, I'd bypass that scheduled National Guard Convention. He's gonna get creamed and like the Swift Boat Guys, they will make their point with dignity and "right". Kerry just keeps on putting spit on the spitballs. I owned a selectric in the early 80's. An old employee of mine had an even older one and I think you had to put in a piece of white tape to cover an error. What a pain. Rather can make the challenge without reproducing the originals.

22 posted on 09/11/2004 9:02:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: David Noles
CBSLIESBIGTIME
23 posted on 09/11/2004 9:05:10 AM PDT by timestax
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To: David Noles

Dan, Dan, go put your clothes back on and quit talking about your make-believe tailor. You're not even the emperor.


24 posted on 09/11/2004 9:06:19 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Republic
CBS lied to the American public, mislead those who turn to them for nightly news, in a manner so devastatingly full of bias and so creepily imbalanced (they ignored killin's FAMILYL and everyone who knew and respected GW's guard service) it is not only shocking, it goes against the code of ethics all journalists and reporters need to hold to ...

Call your local CBS affiliate and ask them how one goes about filing a letter in their relicensing file. Broadcasting "Facts" from forged documents, with the objective of affecting a presidential election, is AGAINST the public interest. Get your local broadcast affiliate onboard to scream at CBS news. Your local affiliate has a broadcast license at risk, and can therefore become highly motivated.

25 posted on 09/11/2004 9:06:31 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau

Unless and until Danny Boy produces the originals for experts to examine, the only logical conclusion is that he's not only perpetrating a fraud, but he's got something to hide. If these were legitimate, he'd produce them. If this story were legitimate, he wouldn't have told his "expert" to refuse media interviews. These are all actions of someone who has something to hide.


26 posted on 09/11/2004 9:08:46 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: David Noles

But Dan Rather said...


27 posted on 09/11/2004 9:09:08 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: timestax
GURLIEMANRATHERLIES
28 posted on 09/11/2004 9:09:24 AM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax

YA! Dats right!


29 posted on 09/11/2004 9:11:44 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: timestax

YA! Dats right!


30 posted on 09/11/2004 9:12:09 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat
YEP YEP

RATHERGURLIEMAN

31 posted on 09/11/2004 9:17:52 AM PDT by timestax
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To: David Noles

"A senior CBS official had claimed to the Washington Post that Hodges had validated the documents."

Who is the 'Senior CBS Official'? The WP is under no obligation to protect a source that lied!


32 posted on 09/11/2004 9:21:11 AM PDT by airborne (2/504 PIR - 'Devils In Baggy Pants')
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To: Jeff Head

It's odd, isn't it, that the documents that Rather "produced" just happened to be the answer to this:

http://www.democrats.org/action/200409090002.html?psc=demnews


33 posted on 09/11/2004 9:22:51 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: David Noles

I don't know anything about Matley's credentials, but I did turn up a couple of points on a website yesterday. One, this website included one of his books on a list and gave it a rating of zero stars. Two, the website said that his book was "self-published." To me, that's a real danger signal. Worse than a vanity press.

It has also been pointed out, on other threads, that Matley was the "expert" who testified that the Vince Foster suicide memo was genuine. That is, IMHO, a very sinister connection indeed. It reminds me of that pet pathologist of clinton's, who was always called on to say that some death or other was accidental--including one corpse whose head had been cut off.


34 posted on 09/11/2004 9:23:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Hey HMBA,

cBS

Shouldn't that be . . . .

cBS

BTW, I don't know how to do blue.

35 posted on 09/11/2004 9:57:27 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: Howlin
Not odd at all...just more proof of their cold, calculated, deception. Those involved in this are all criminals and need to be in jail.

They howled and screamed for people's heads in the Watergate affair, which, if anything, was less blatant than this. Well, now it's come around and time for them to pay the fiddler.

36 posted on 09/11/2004 10:06:56 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: WashingtonSource
See BS on cBS
Your All BS Network
"Dan Rather reporting..."
37 posted on 09/11/2004 10:12:55 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Great stuff. I like the blue type.


38 posted on 09/11/2004 10:14:30 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: WashingtonSource
Communist Broadcasting System?
39 posted on 09/11/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

40 posted on 09/11/2004 10:20:06 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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