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"I just read a book by "anonymous" (?) about why we are not winning the war on terror. He was claiming that when we initially attacked Afghanistan- we did not do so overwhelmingly and as a result a large number of AQ and Taliban escaped."

Mr Schuer (his name leaked) ran the CIA hunt for UBL in the late 90s. I haven't yet read the book but saw some of his interviews. He believes that the clash of civilizations is inevitable which is why he wants to see more force applied.

He seems to advocate total war (which a lot of freepers would seem to support). I think we owe it to our children to see if there is any other way for that cup to pass from us. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy - - just like a temptation to cut and run in Iraq - - if you think something is inevitable, you start behaving like it is and recommending actions that fit your preconceived notions, and those biased actions bring about the very situation that could have been avoided.


2,414 posted on 09/28/2004 6:28:35 AM PDT by callmejoe
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More on the former Cat Stevens and his "Peace Train" -- with quotes from him re: Judaism as a "so-called religion".:

Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front

and another thread

Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front

...The expulsion was criticized by Muslim groups, and Mr. Islam denies any ties to terrorism. "I never knowingly gave any terrorist group money," he said after being deported from Israel in 2000. "I've given to poor people and hospitals. I've helped to buy ambulances in the Holy Land. Obviously quite clear and supportable aims."

But on June 20, 1998, Mr. Islam gave the keynote address at a Jerusalem Fund fundraising dinner held in Toronto. The event was videotaped, and a copy was obtained by the SITE Institute, a U.S. terrorism research organization.

The video opens with a scene of Niagara Falls, overlayed with the Jerusalem Fund logo, which features the al-Aqsa Mosque and the maple leaf. It begins with an unidentified man explaining the activities of the Jerusalem Fund, which he describes as "helping the Muslims in Palestine" by financing hospitals, health clinics, families in need and orphans.

"Palestine is close to the heart of each and every Muslim. What the Muslims of Palestine have been doing for many years now has been that bright light shining, that hope ... that they are still believers that can raise the banner of jihad in the most difficult of circumstances."

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link to National Post article with more information

Mr. Islam then begins a 45-minute speech in English in which he says it is "intolerable" for Muslims to "stand and watch" the situation in the Middle East. He describes Jerusalem as the centre of a land that is holy because of its connection to Allah.

"So this city which is blessed because of its religious nature. Therefore, what we see today is the result of the departure of religion from this area, of the uprooting of religion. So many of the people of the faith have been exiled from this region, moved on, to make way for what? Strangely and ironically, they moved on in the name of so-called religion, on behalf of ... the Jews.

"Of course, that would explain what is happening. Because the moment that religion and religious virtues disappear, there for sure follows trouble, tyranny, oppression," he says. "So what do we see then today? The concoction of a so-called new society based on an old society."

He says there could be "no redeemer except Allah. No political concept or construct or treaty or agent except the laws of Allah, which he instructed for this world. Jerusalem is that, the symbol of that. Out of the hands of the righteous then it falls into disrepute and blood.

"Jerusalem, al-Quds, it is a mirror reflecting the reality ... If it is dark, if it is bloody, then so too is the world. Today it reflects injustice of the secular man over the religious man. And how can the secular man be given the control and the sanctuary of the divine place of worship when he doesn't even respect what is holy? How? And how can those of faith allow that to happen? Therefore, peace will not return until we return to the Holy Land."

2,417 posted on 09/28/2004 7:11:33 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: callmejoe

What I found new and interesting was that Richard Clarke ran into such a wall with intel , he insourced a few people, Steve Emerson being the key figure


2,427 posted on 09/28/2004 8:57:50 AM PDT by JustPiper (Jack Hensley was a father -- a good father- he was an incredible husband)
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