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Thanks for the kind words liberallyconservative.
From the thread, an excellent statement about radical islam, which sums it up correctly ( my paragraphs ) :
To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Here is my definition of islam (POA):
islam (POA) is an intolerant cult founded by a Jewish and Christian hating, child molesting pedophile, who was also a murdering thief.
The followers of the cult bow several times a day to worship a meteorite in the sand and follow teachings from a hate filled screed based on moon worship written by a maniac.
The sword and death are used to induct new cult members and remove nonbelievers.
Women of the cult are treated as subhuman slaves whose worth is measured by the pleasure they give men and by the children they produce for the cult.
Beheading, stoning, clitoral cutting, limb chopping, and self-mutilation maintain discipline within the cult.
18 posted on 09/11/2004 7:38:56 AM MDT by kapn kuek
Thanks to each of you responsible for bringing this thread to us. Spectacular visuals and more than anything, a poignant and somber reminder why we are all meeting here on this Thread.
Greetings, all. Just trying to catch up with the new thread...
Last night I was listening to a talk show on the radio regarding Osama having potential access to two Paki subs capable of launching nuclear missiles at the East Coast...
Does anyone have any information about the validity of this report? I'm going to do some googling.
The person being interviewed apparently has written a book- and is a paleopsychologist. It was about 4 AM and I missed some of what he had to say. Half asleep so I may not be reporting all of this accurately. Here goes:
What I do recall, is that he reported that the Pakistan military and ISI lean in favor of support for Osama. He said that about 50% of the Paki people do NOT support radical Islam and OBL's vision, but are afraid to speak up--as he worded it- "do not want to have their throat's cut...".
He indicated that France helped Pakistan obtain/develop (?) two of these subs and a third will be ready soon- it sounded like he said either within 16 months, or six months. He said the reason he believes OBL has not attacked yet is that he is waiting for the third sub to be ready so that he has "redundancy" to ensure success.
The subs apparently cannot be tracked by the US, and have missiles with a range of 1200 miles.
He indicated that both subs are capable of launching missiles (nuclear) which could reach East Coast Cities.
He further went on to say that, each time Paki forces "ALMOST" catch OBL- the US rewards Pakistan with more funding. The money tends to go to the ISI- which he described as being heavily funded and including a significant proportion of OBL supporters.
He talked at length about how OBL views the Muslim world as the "Ummah"--one Muslim nation- and that if the US struck Pakistan after a nuke attack, it would make little difference to OBL as OBL does not look at the world in terms of nation-states.
He talked about radical Islam as stressing afterlife rewards- which appeal to many of the people in dire straits.
Wish I could recall more. Hoping someone here may have heard the interview.
Do we have any information about Paki nuke subs? I recall mention of Iranian subs- but not Paki subs.
Also- he did NOT trust Musharaff (sp) and felt that the US was being deceived by the Paki dictator.
Great job!!
Thanks for the ping, bookmarking for later.
Phenomenal work JP!!!
Courtesy of Mutter's discussion board:
RUSSIA's war on terror
2004-09-10 20:02 * 9/11 * TERROR * RUSSIA * US *
WAR DECLARED
September 11, 2001, marked the beginning of a war, although we may not have realized that immediately.
We are accustomed to wars with a frontline and with adversary armies facing each other in combat. We are used to wars fought between combatants rather than ones waged by Allah's servants against unarmed Infidels.
Now we see a new type of warfare emerging, one that has no clearly marked battlefield and that makes no distinction between civilians and the military.
We thought that solely New York's towers were targeted and that the bell tolled for America only. Now we can hear it tolling for Russia, as well.
Over the past two weeks, the nation has lost hundreds to suicide bombings and hostage-takings, with most of the victims being children, women, and elderly people. None of these was planning to die. But terrorists had preplanned their deaths for them.
The most frightening thing to this new type of warfare is that it is religiously motivated and that it recruits its soldiers on the basis of faith, not ideology.
Almost all of the known terrorists are Moslems, who adhere to the world's youngest and most vibrant religion. Incidentally, the Koran considers Jesus to be a Moslem prophet. From today's perspective, it looks like Christ was the first hostage to the jihad, or the Islamic holy war.
Compared with the divided and weary Christian community, the Moslem faithful come across as a close-knit army ready to launch a new offensive any minute.
One has to keep in mind that the West has been attacked not by oriental street beggars, but by oil barons. By buying petroleum, we have turned ourselves into a snake gobbling its own tail.
Politicians are still reluctant to acknowledge what ordinary people in Chechnya, Nagorny Karabakh, Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel recognized a long time ago - the West has launched its anti-terror war in an attempt to defend itself, to draw a new Maginot line as far from home as possible.
Russia has just joined in this defensive war.
The Russian Army Chief-of-Staff announced a couple of days ago that the country's military would now launch preemptive strikes against terrorists in any part of the world. Which means that the battleground will expand beyond the Caucasus and the Middle East, to embrace the whole of Central Asia.
Terror is imposing uncivilized methods of warfare upon civilized countries. It won't be long before the last few unwritten laws of combat are abolished. Then, the war will step from the street into people's hearts.... This is where the real danger lies; this is something we must not allow to happen even in our night dreams.
en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm...do_alert=0
1 PHOTO ON THE NET...
http://internet-haganah.us/harchives/002722.html#002722
Balancing Act between Russia and its Muslims
Awesome start to another thread!
Thank you Ian, Justpiper, and all who have contributed to make this thread so enlightening.
JIHAD WATCH.org: "DECEMBER 7, 1944"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/09/003159print.html
Thank you, kind sir.
Wonderful work.
Beautiful touch, JP. I knew this post was from you before I even saw your name.
PERSECUTION.org - INTERNATIONAL CHRISTIAN CONCERN - IRAN:
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/countryinfodetail.php?countrycode=21
(Note: Scroll down the page (See url above) for all the latest links to news articles and news briefs regarding Christians in Iran.)
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031777874618&path=!localnews!education&s=1037645509111
Saturday, September 11, 2004
Wilkes illness still a puzzle
Intentional poisoning, buses didn't cause sickness on field trip
By Monte Mitchell
JOURNAL REPORTER
WILKESBORO
Neither the buses nor intentional poisoning were the causes behind stomach-flu-like symptoms for which 92 Wilkes County schoolchildren and adult chaperones required hospital treatment while on a field trip Thursday, investigators said yesterday.
But the continuing investigation could take 10 to 14 days to find the cause of the students' nausea, vomiting and stomach cramps. Food, blood and other bodily fluid samples were sent yesterday morning to the state public-health lab in Raleigh. It will take time for the cultures to grow.
Beth Lovette, the director of the Wilkes County Health Department, explained some of the process in a letter sent to parents yesterday. She said that the results of the investigation would be shared as soon as possible.
"Hopefully, the cause of this incident can be found," Lovette wrote.
The seventh-graders from North Wilkes Middle School were treated and released from Wilkes Regional Medical Center and Hugh Chatham Memorial Hospital in Elkin.
School buses and ambulances arrived at Wilkes Regional about 1 p.m. Thursday, overwhelming the emergency room and sparking a civic outpouring that included a waiting room of patients telling their doctors to leave and go help the children.
Most of the 200 or so seventh-graders at North Wilkes went on Thursday's field trip. Sixty were absent yesterday, school officials said. They didn't check name-by-name to see if all of the students had required hospital treatment but said that it's about six times the number typically absent.
About 100 seventh-graders from Alleghany County's Sparta Elementary were on the trip. None required treatment, authorities said yesterday.
In Thursday's scramble to match up parents and children, officials had initially thought that some from Alleghany were included in the count of sick children, but they clarified that yesterday. They also had said that some students were from West Wilkes Middle School, but they said yesterday that those students weren't on the trip.
The group of 300 was on a field trip to Wilkes Community College, where it attended a morning musical performance and planned to return to another performance after lunch.
The guests from Alleghany County were allowed to go to lunch first, at the Kabuki Japanese Steak House, while the other students took a walking tour of campus. An initial assessment has found that only one student from that group became ill, school officials said. Health officials said that it could be a few more.
Almost all the sick came from the second group, including some who became ill in the restaurant parking lot.
"It's definitely odd," said Shirin Scotten, a public-health epidemiologist with the Wilkes County Health Department. "You would think that if you had a group of students come in a restaurant and eat something, the first group would be getting sick first and then the second group getting sick."
But health and school officials continued to stress that they don't know that the cause of the illness could be traced to the restaurant.
"Getting exposed to something and getting sick in 15 minutes is almost unheard of," Scotten said. She said she talked by telephone yesterday with experts in food-borne illnesses and could almost see them scratching their heads.
An information sheet about food-borne illness from the Food and Drug Administration says that in rare cases symptoms may come on as early as 30 minutes after eating contaminated food, but that they typically don't develop for several days or a week.
Inspectors visited the restaurant Thursday and found that it does not pose a health hazard. It had an "A" inspection rating of 96.5 percent when the students ate there. Food from the school has also been sent for testing. Officials are testing water at North Middle and looking for other clues.
Health investigators did rule out the buses as a source of the illness, because so many of the students who were on the buses didn't get sick. The buses have since been decontaminated.
Part of the process is to find things people had in common and to see how those things affected them. Health-department workers interviewed 192 students, some who were ill and some who weren't, and compiled two-day histories of their meals and other activities.
"That's really the key. You have to find out what people ate or what they were exposed to," Scotten said.
Providing some of that analysis to the Carolina Poison Center in Charlotte led it to rule out that someone intentionally put something in the food.
Like the six physicians at Wilkes Regional who left other patients to attend the sick children, health-department workers volunteered to help conduct the patient interviews and do other tasks into the night.
Health officials said they have appreciated the patience of the parents and the students throughout the interviews, in giving blood and in other parts of the investigation. "You really have to get everything all at one time, otherwise you miss out on clues," Scotten said.
• Monte Mitchell can be reached in Wilkesboro at (336) 667-5691 or at mmitchell@wsjournal.com
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Please tell your son thank you and that his FR TM 911 logo is very sharp!
And thanks to you too liitle jeremiah for all you add to TM.
Sounds like the same old song and dance to me about usama.
I have no idea about this source, but this report is troubling if true:
Chechnya: Some Close To Putin Think Beslan Attack Was CIA
valis on Sep 07, 2004 - 02:01 PM
Rzeczpospolita.pl - Influential persons around Vladimir Putin believe that the attack in Bieslan could be the on the hands of the Americans. Putin treats as one of working versions -an analyst close to the Kremlin has said.
Some want a fat piece of our country, and others are helping them, worried that Russia as on the world\'s greatest nuclear powers is seen as a threat to them. Terrorism is certainly only an instrument in achieving these aims\" Vladimir Putin said in a saturday television address According to our informer it is no accident that such cold-war rhetoric has found a place in the head of the nation.
In one of several theories concerning the reasons for the terrorist act in North Osetia, the CIA is behind the attack. \"It is shocking\",says one analyst,\"but many people close to the president really believe it to be so. The attack is meant to ferment instability in the Northern Caucasus and turn our attentions from Southern Osetia.\"
Under the protective umbrella of Moscow in the 90\'s, South Osetia has been separated from Georgia. The young and dynamic Georgian president Michail Saakaszwili, who is backed by the US, is doing everything he can to establish control over the region under Tblisi. In recent times, regular skirmishes have occurred in the volatile region.
Publicist of the political portal polit.ru; Boris Dolgin; in analysis of Putins address,writes that the fragment about the \'fat piece\' is the most interesting and simultaneously most unclear: \"Who helps? If Al-Kaida it is banal and expected;if it\'s the Western powers then the statement is radical\" thinks Dolgin.
If president believes the line pushed by some advisors about an American plot, it is possible to expect a cooling of relations between Russia and the USA and a narrowing of links with western Europe. Already there is a conviction in a radical reform of the defence forces and security services.
In turn, Chechen separatists have accused the Russian Federal Security Service of provocation. Acording to them, the FSB dropped off the bodies of a number of Chechen prisoners,which were held in secret prisons earlier, in order to saddle chechnyan separatists with the blame for the attack. One of killed, according to rebels, was 31 year old Chanpasa Kulajew, who the Russian newspaper \"Gazetia\" identified as a bodyguard of Samila Basajew, and who the rebels say was in Russian hands for 3 years. Most important russian media had informed of his capture in 2001.
This article was translated from mirror-world.ru.
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