Hugh Hewitt Correspondence With Rice U Professor Shows CBS' Memos ARE Forgeries (MUST READ!!!)

HughHewitt.com ^ | 09/10/04 | Hugh Hewitt

[JoJo Gunn]

Actually I don't know much at all about fonts, was just answering a question, (mostly because I found this out just last week while fooling around).

[nsc68]

So the memos can't be real because the necessary proportional spacing technology didn't exist at the time they were allegedly written.

Fine, but try explaining that to Joe slackjaw or Jane mouth-breather.

[The Wizard]

bttt

[thpwat]

There is no such Air Force Manual 35-13

Time to warn freepers to lay off this AFM 35-13. I have seen several posts saying that this AFM didn't exist and if it did, it couldn't be an order because it is a manual not a regulation. Only problem is, the same AFM 35-15 is quoted in the authentic letter which took Bush off flight status. I don't have the link but another freeper posted the PDF earlier.

[goldstategop]

I started with a manual and then an electric typewriter. Fixing simple mistakes was sheer torture. A lifesaver was the first Smith Corona Word Processor I used to write papers in graduate school. It was a breeze compared to the now obsolete typewriter. When it came to writing my thesis, nothing beat Microsoft Word, the King Of All Word Processing Programs in existence. Today writing reports and documents is so easy, we wonder why it took so long to invent what what is taken now for granted. I'm one of those who doesn't want to go back to the days of replacing worn ribbon and having to start all over again because I mistyped a word. In any event, what Bush did 30 years ago shouldn't even be an issue because he's not running on his NG service for President. Kerry IS running on his four months in Vietnam. The partisan media's attempt to strike a phony balance between the two candidates' wartime experience is what has gotten them between a rock and a hard place.

[Ken H]

I think [Baghdad] Bob was slightly more credible

Rather has all the credibility of Baghdad Bob, but without the charm.

[Southack]

"Time to warn freepers to lay off this AFM 35-13. I have seen several posts saying that this AFM didn't exist and if it did, it couldn't be an order because it is a manual not a regulation. Only problem is, the same AFM 35-15 is quoted in the authentic letter which took Bush off flight status. I don't have the link but another freeper posted the PDF earlier."

No, there is no reason to fear the truth. There is no AFM 35-13. That's pretty simple, and that is a fact.

If a real document made a typo such that "AFM 35-13" was listed in it, and if that typo was later copied by a forger onto a bogus document, then *that* train of events lends additional refutational support to the debunking of the forgery.

What is important is whether or not "AFM 35-13" exists...not whether or not a real document mistakenly lists "AFM 35-13" one time.

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[Eva]

bump

[faithincowboys]

Don't insult the man by starting off with "Professor Cartwright has more credibility than Dan Rather."

Doesn't it go without saying that everybody has more credibility than Gunga Dan?

[Southack]

Nope. Apparently I stand corrected. Freeper Commish has *found* AFM 35-13! He is now researching what regs are contained therein.

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[rocklobster11]

I don't think there was any kerning.

I looked at the August 1 and 18 memos, specifically at the word "my". The August 1 memo doesn't seem to be kerned while the August 18 memo does:

Perhaps it is just artifacts from the copying on one of the memos, since the fonts look alot different when blown up?

[Casloy]

no mechanical typewriter, even with variable letter widths like the IBM Executive typewriter, could produce precise propotional spacing comparable to a modern word processor.

Ok, my layman two cents. I used a IBM executive to type memos almost every day in the late 80's. We had to use that typewriter because it was the only one that had Optical Character fonts. I recall on several occasions after typing a long memo and proofing it I would find a couple of typos. I would then reinsert the document, line it up and center it and use the white correcting tape in the selectric to erase the mistake. Erase is not the right word, since the tape actually lifted the ink off paper. You had to have the paper lined up 100 percent right or the letter would not get lifted correctly. If I had more than one mistake I could not line up the first one and then backspace to the next one. The second typo rarely lined up exactly. It was a perfect match vertically, but the horizontal would most always be off slightly and I would have to release the carriage and manually line it up. In other words, the spacing on this typewriter drifted. What I'd be interested in seeing is an old Selectric used to the same exact document twice and see if they overlay. I would be very surprised if they matched up.

[1L]

Dude. I told you not to let that out of the bag. You've now been on double secret probation since early yesterday.

One more stunt like that, and you will be made to watch Patsy Schroeder for 10 hours straight.

[SirChas]

I saw some of that also.

I used my old Corel software and tried to do some pixel compares, but the docs have a lot of "noise", probably from all of the fax/copying.

Would need the originals to do justice.

[tang-soo]

I wonder if the professor from Stanford University Dr. Donald Knuth would consider weighing in on this? Dr. Knuth published the first three volumes of his anticipated ten volume set of text books on principals of computer science. He did this in the 1960s (maybe early 1970s). He was so dissappointed in the quality of the publication, he decided to spend a year to develop his own typesetting system. That year turned into 10 years (his time as well as time from his grad student).

THe result was TeX and its offspring LaTeX. The research and engineering world quickly adopted these publication systems during the early and mid 1980s to replace the runoff and troff systems mentioned in the above notes. When I worked in the aerospacee business, all our proposals, research papers and the like were written with these tools. By the way, this was also before postscript.

They were in heavy usage until modern publication systems on Mac and WinDoze systems came along.

Bottom line, Knuth probably knows more about publication technology than anyone alive. Not only that, but the underlying computer science and technology under the hood.

[Master of Orion]

But they are authentic! They are the real documents that they have received from an unknown source! LOL

[eclectic]

Yes, the prof is mistaken. fo and fe are not kerned in Times New Roman, just the glyph for f has negative right offset, so it overhangs a little the next glyph. Kerning is a secondary effect atop of it, which is absent in the forged docs. This makes sense, since the person who produced this forgery would not mess with kerning. On the other hand it is quite unlikely that proportional font for a typewriter will support overhanged glyphs. This can be easily checked if they can present a sample of the font for the said typewriter, but there is no such sample so far!

[jellybean]

Those are two different fonts. Look at the bottom of the "m"...the base on the left one points to the left while the right one points to the right. Similar, but different.

[roadcat]

When it came to writing my thesis, nothing beat Microsoft Word, the King Of All Word Processing Programs in existence.

MS Word is great, but before that I thought Wordstar and CP/M were the greatest thing to happen after using typewriters for years. Before printing with Wordstar, practically every typed paper had corrections on it (and my trashcan was filled with wadded up discarded papers). Nowadays printing is a breeze!