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Authenticity of Bush Guard Memos Questioned
National Public Radio -- All Things Considered ^ | September 10, 2004 | Brian Naylor

Posted on 09/10/2004 5:11:47 PM PDT by John from Manhattan

A special report on the CBS program Sixty Minutes II this week raises new questions about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. The story relied in part on documents that critics say appear to be forgeries. NPR's Brian Naylor reports.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush; forged; guardmemos; killian; rathergate; selectricgate
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 5:11:49 PM PDT by John from Manhattan
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To: John from Manhattan

I told a liberal coworker today that once NPR did a story on Memogate that CBS would be sunk. So, I am very pleased to hear this report.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 5:14:55 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: John from Manhattan
The thing that convinces me that the documents were forged is the fact that the font is kerned. That is that characters like "y" intrude on the adjacent character's space. This is just not possible with a typewriter and easy with a computer.

regards,

5 posted on 09/10/2004 5:16:52 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: John from Manhattan
I am surprised that NPR is sticking their neck out like this. You got to remember who their prime listener base is.

Maybe enough folks know that Bush will win and don't want to be on the same sh#t list that CBS is going to be on during the next 4-year administration term.

This is very unusual for NPR. I'll bet they have two or three opposite stories tomorrow after their listeners phone in.

6 posted on 09/10/2004 5:17:02 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: John from Manhattan

Well, I guess NPR is really on the ball.


7 posted on 09/10/2004 5:18:38 PM PDT by StoneFury
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To: John from Manhattan

It's all about text...can't we just move font?


8 posted on 09/10/2004 5:18:41 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: John from Manhattan

In the commentary to the Futurama DVD's, Matt Groening notes that the entire alien alphabet had been deciphered on the internet before the first episode had ended.

This was because one word: "SLURM" was used as a Rosetta stone of sorts and everything else fell into place.


9 posted on 09/10/2004 5:18:52 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: John from Manhattan

Pretty darned good report. It flat out destroyed the memo's authenticity. The only wierd thing was at the end when they thought the bloggers reacted too quickly. Hey, NPR: Proportional-Spaced typing is easy to recognize.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 5:20:37 PM PDT by dangus
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To: John from Manhattan

These must be more of those "living, breathing" documents. They can change over time to adapt to the situation.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 5:22:05 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: Mycroft Holmes
This is just not possible with a typewriter and easy with a computer.

Actually if you were only typing a single page and not twelve carbon copies, depending upon how your typwriter was set up, the paper could move a bit as you typed, so the "kerning of a single letter like Y could happen but not in a repeatable way.

As to being easy with computers. I remember some of the first computer driven printers, and they would produce both upper an lower case letters but would not kern, until you go to laser and inkjet printers.

From what I have read the letters were printed via a laser or injet printer as opposed to something that was available in the time frame the documents are dated.

In my mind these are fakes, but you got to love the stupidity of CBS saying that it doesn't matter if the documents are not genuine as the facts they proport to present are true and have been checked with unimpeachable sources. LOL!

SHAME ON CBS!

12 posted on 09/10/2004 5:23:41 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
This is very unusual for NPR.

Not really. They're trying to grasp at straws to save Rather's bacon with the timestamp thing. The problem is that this story is like the Swiftvet story. You can't report on how evil the Republicans are being without backing up and explaining the whole story.

Another problem is, the Media isn't all that monolithic. They're glad to turn on one of their own. Everyone slaving away at NPR thinks they should have Dan Rather's job. Their loyalty for people in their profession is roughly the same as the average Hollywood starlet's.

13 posted on 09/10/2004 5:23:44 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

If the documents are kerned, they're fake. If Dan and CBS had done the job right, they would have asked the expert, "Are these douments kerned?" I'd like to see what the experts say about that. Do they all agree?

I bet this one winds up split into factions. I'm not an expert, so I'm not qualified to comment...any more than a layman can after trying to educate himself by reading all the stuff on the web. That's why I want to see how many credible, unbiased, experts think the documents are kerned.


14 posted on 09/10/2004 5:25:10 PM PDT by OhMike (He which hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart...we would not die in that man's company.)
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To: John from Manhattan

"All ... things ... considered" .... LOL .. wow, we got the thing onto NPR! ;)

Looks like we still need to set them straight on the details though!


15 posted on 09/10/2004 5:25:55 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: John from Manhattan
...but Brian Naylor's introductory summary of the issues actually botches the distinction between proportional font and fixed-width font.

The touchy feely journalism types are out of their depth when dealing with (relatively) technical subjects like this. We'll probably see more more botched reporting along these lines, much of it unintentional. I also think there are folks who will capitalize on the technical fog, knowing full well what they're doing. CBS's deceptive rebuttal (with the period document showing superscripts) is an example of the latter.

16 posted on 09/10/2004 5:27:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Even if someone tried to play around with half backspaces on a typewriter, firstly, back in the early 70s no one would have thought to kern, and secondly, even if some completly anal person thought it up, imagine all the trouble to do it!


17 posted on 09/10/2004 5:28:06 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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I just thought of the kerning issue at dinner to-night and didn't remember it being discussed in the initial threads. Now I'm back home to look at the documents again.

I watched Dan Blather on while stonewalling and had a good laugh when he got to the "preponderence of the evidence" claim. DR as judge and jury? - ha!

18 posted on 09/10/2004 5:40:17 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Robert357

My hubby heard yesterday on NPR about Bush being AWOL, etc..
He was questioning my info regarding possible forgeries last night and this morning. I sure hope he listens to NPR and hears this report as he drives home from work!!!

Now, if I can only convince my DIM neighbor. (Hah!)


19 posted on 09/10/2004 5:41:02 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: Robert357

I am not surprised....I dont remember NPR ever faking evidence....

they may have their left bias...but if they go along reporting the Dan Rather Forgeries, they may get hit when pledge drive rolls around.


20 posted on 09/10/2004 5:54:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (.)
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