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To: Petronski
If you're sure of those two release dates for Times Roman, get your statement and sources in the blogosphere under the title, "Proof that Rather Lied Tonight."

Congressman / Billybob

890 posted on 09/10/2004 4:38:08 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Petronski

http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/articles/times.htm

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman?
From: Charles Bigelow
Date: 5 May 1994

"Times Roman" is the name used by Linotype, and the name they registered as a trademark for the design in the U.S. "Times New Roman" was and still is the name used by The Monotype Corporation. The face was developed by The Times newspaper for its own use, under the design direction of Stanley Morison. Originally cut by the Monotype Corp. in England, the design was also licensed to Linotype, because The Times used Linotype equipment for much of its actual production. The story of "The Times New Roman" can be found in Stanley Morison's A Tally of Types, published by Cambridge University Press, with additional, though not quite the same, versions in Nicolas Barker's biography of Stanley Morison, and in James Moran's biography of SM. (There should be an apostrophe in that name, "Times' Roman", I suppose, though no-one uses it.)

During WWII, the American Linotype company, in a generous spirit of Allied camaraderie, applied for registration of the trademark name "Times Roman" as its own, not Monotype's or The Times', and received the registration in 1945.

In the 1980's, all this was revisited when some entrepreneurs, desirous of gaining the rights to use the name, applied to Rupert Murdoch, who owned The Times; separately, a legal action was also initiated to clarify the right of Monotype to use the name in the U.S., despite Linotype's registration.

The outcome of all of the legal maneuverings is that Linotype and its licensees like Adobe and Apple continue to use the name "Times Roman", while Monotype and its licensees like Microsoft use the name "Times New Roman".

During the decades of transatlantic "sharing" of the Times designs, and the transfer of the faces from metal to photo to digital, various differences developed between the versions marketed by Linotype and Monotype. Especially these became evident when Adobe released the PostScript version, for various reasons having to do with how Adobe produced the original PostScript implementations of Times. The width metrics were different, as well as various proportions and details.

In the late 1980's, Monotype redrew its Times New Roman to make it fit exactly the proportions and metrics of the Adobe-Linotype version of Times Roman. Monotype claimed that its new version was better than the Adobe-Linotype version, because of smoother curves, better detailing, and generally greater sensitivity to the original designs done for The Times and Monotype by Victor Lardent, who worked under the direction of Stanley Morison. During the same period, Adobe upgraded its version of Times, using digital masters from Linotype, which of course claimed that it had a superior version, so there was a kind of competition to see who had the most refined, sensitive, original, genuine, bona-fide, artistically and typographically correct version. Many, perhaps most, users didn't notice and didn't care about these subtle distinctions, many of which were invisible at 10 pt at 300 dpi (which is an em of 42 pixels, a stem of three pixels, a serif of 1 pixel, and so on).

When Microsoft produced its version of Times New Roman, licensed from Monotype, in TrueType format, and when Apple produced its version of Times Roman, licensed from Linotype, in TrueType format, the subtle competition took on a new aspect, because both Microsoft and Apple expended a great deal of time and effort to make the TrueType versions as good as, or better than, the PostScript version. During the same period, Adobe released ATM along with upgraded versions of its core set of fonts, for improved rasterization on screen. Also, firms like Imagen, now part of QMS, and Sun developed rival font scaling technologies, and labored to make sure that their renderings of Times, licensed from Linotype in both cases, were equal to those of their competitors. Hence, the perceived quality of the Times design became a litmus for the quality of several font formats. Never before, and probably never again, would the precise placement of pixels in the serifs or 's' curves etc. of Times Roman occupy the attention of so many engineers and computer scientists. It was perhaps the supreme era of the Digital Fontologist.

As for the actual visual differences in the designs, well, like any good academic author, I leave the detection and analysis of those "as an exercise for the reader".

© Charles Bigelow


979 posted on 09/10/2004 5:04:18 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Kerry's Campaign fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty bag filled with vegetable soup.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
There is a web site for the IBM Selectric Composer, which evidently first came out in 1966. It could do proportional spacing, and the manual, which they have as a PDF which has scanned-in pages, shows that they had, among other type faces, one called "Press Roman," which looks a lot like Times Roman. (In the US, fonts aren't copyrightable--but names of fonts can be trademarked. That's why you see all those CDs with "20,000 Fonts!" that are ripped-off versions of fonts, scanned in, fed to a font editor, and turned into TrueType without bothering to add kerning hints so the results suck, and with names changed to protect the guilty.)

Now, that said, the Selectric Composer was a major proctalgia to use. Someone once said the Selectric was a triumph of engineering over design, and that goes in spades for the Composer. You had to type everything twice. The first time you typed each line, a little pointer would point at a color, and when you retyped the line, you got to set an indicator to the color that was pointed at, if I understand the description correctly.

What kind of idiot would go to that much trouble--over twice as much work as to use a regular typewriter--to type documents that didn't need to be all that pretty? I'm sorry, but the independent twin I-beam suspension on my disbelief can't handle that much of a load.

1,273 posted on 09/10/2004 8:21:34 PM PDT by jejones
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