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1 posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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Drudge headline now taking up the CBS response to superscripting as fact?

'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'

Goes on to cite the full CBS transcript. We've got to get it out there that this answers nothing, that the superscripts available in 1973 did not match the superscripts seen in the "memos"; that Matley's expertise is as a handwriting analyst and he has no place analyzing the documents from a typing/font perspective, and so on... We made the truth come to light here with this story, now let's not let CBS and Rather cover it up!
953 posted on 09/10/2004 4:55:23 PM PDT by Matt32
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Here's the video from an anti-Bush site. Feel free to crash it with traffic:

http://BushLies2.Us/video/wmv/bush_awol_cbs.wmv


983 posted on 09/10/2004 5:06:39 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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"Handwriting Experts", are a joke, and for sale to the highest bidder. For every one that says the documents are real, you can hire forty to say they are not real.

Let's get an FBI hand writing expert to take a look. Blather says that particular TH ability was available in the 70's? Who made them, how many were in production, how many sold and to who. The military usually buys the same model from the same company. Was it a personal typewriter or did it belong to the Guard? Details are lacking here.

He seems to have left that, and alot of other information, out of his little speech. This story needs to be torn apart bit by bit.


1,013 posted on 09/10/2004 5:22:35 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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1000+ post Dan Rather dogpile

Hugh Hewitt.Read the whole thing! Excerpt:

...You are tilting at windmills with the IBM Selectric Composer theory.

Go to Selectric Manual which is a user's manual showing some sample typed text using this typewriter.

The typed text in the "Killian memos" is kerned (check out letter combinations like "fo" and "fe"), but the Composer text is clearly not. Kerning is a computationally complex task beyond the capacity of any mechanical typewriter--even one as expensive and elaborate as the IBM Selectric Composer. Moreover, the proportional spacing in the sample text is rather crude (look at the typesetting of "11" for example) which is the best that a mechanical typewriter--even one as complex as the Composer--can do.

Consult someone who understands the typography behind modern word processing. The "Killian memos" are word processed documents.

Robert "Corky" Cartwright
Professor of Computer Science
Rice University
ACM Fellow

1,046 posted on 09/10/2004 5:30:34 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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"SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S. BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931.

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS."

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I just got on line and clearly haven't been able to read all the posts on this thread. However I would point out:

Times New Roman was not available since 1931. Prior to sometime in the early 1940's, it was a printing typeface in England. The New York Times had it "reworked" and the new typeface was named "Times New Roman". It was used solely in the printing business and was available for Linotype machines- Not typewriters.

As far as I know or can discover, it wasn't generally available for typewriters.

CBS's "expert" has repeatedly been de-bunked in the past, the last time involved Kurt Colbain's suicide.

The guy has a rather poor record when it comes to handwriting analysis, and further, he IS NOT a questioned document expert.

I apologize if this info has already been posted.

1,058 posted on 09/10/2004 5:35:12 PM PDT by daylate-dollarshort
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1,064 posted on 09/10/2004 5:36:42 PM PDT by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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I saw the peice but can only now comment on it. What a complete dodge of the facts.

The only thing on that segment from the seventies was the "document examiner's" tie!


1,095 posted on 09/10/2004 5:48:14 PM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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NOTICE How he leads the story by repeating all the charges against Bush?


1,101 posted on 09/10/2004 5:50:52 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Drudge headline now acknowledging that the proper type of expert was not used by CBS. Quote:

"CBS Used Handwriting Not Typewriter Analyst..."

Drudge's own words, not a headline quoted from an outside source. Links to the CBS transcript at this time.


1,109 posted on 09/10/2004 5:54:02 PM PDT by Matt32
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Oh Danny Boy, the Feds the Feds are calling..........


1,116 posted on 09/10/2004 5:56:00 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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42,000 views for this thread.


1,123 posted on 09/10/2004 6:00:46 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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Colmes is trying to catch Gary Killian in a 'gotcha' and Killian isn't biting.

hehehe.

Colmes tried to get Killian to speculate whom he thought might be behind the forgeries.


1,129 posted on 09/10/2004 6:04:34 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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Drudge now also headlining a link to a previously written Wolf Blitzer slam of Rather. The fact that this and the NBC piece are topping the "headlines" suggests to me that the MSM intends to hold onto this issue, most likely bring in reliable forensic document evaluators, in the hopes of hitting CBS hard. Looks like the good ol' network-to-network competition trumps their need for solidarity against Bush.

Goes to show: you can unite all the outlets of the MSM in co-ordinated attacks against the Pres... but when it becomes an issue of money and competition they'll eat each other alive. Ya gotta love it. :P


1,157 posted on 09/10/2004 6:18:48 PM PDT by Matt32
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Don't miss this one. ;-)


1,158 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:40 PM PDT by tioga
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1,159 posted on 09/10/2004 6:20:36 PM PDT by Boazo
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I don't understand why the RNC has not demanded that military intelligence investigate whether alleged military documents have or have not been forged: certainly a violation of military regualtions and/or federal law.

Anton


1,236 posted on 09/10/2004 7:31:59 PM PDT by anton
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Aren't we all only looking at the pdf documents that CBS put on their website.

Now...
If Mately told CBS that their memos are "not reliable representations of the memos" because they are not the original and hence can't be properly authenticated, why did CBS and Rather unprofessionally and unethically go ahead with the Memo piece without getting a copy of the originals to authenticate first.

We need to know who the source is, and then get copies of the original to authenicate, since CBS is not internally investigating it anymore.
1,254 posted on 09/10/2004 7:52:41 PM PDT by igoramus987
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I'm going nuts. With Hannity's memo, the content was irrelivent, but the leak must be examined. This time it dosen't matter if the memo is even real, but what it suggests is fact and Bush must pay. It boggles the mind, it does.


1,261 posted on 09/10/2004 8:00:30 PM PDT by bk1000 ("We will take things away from you for the common good.": -HRC)
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"AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES."

So there are no originals available...the signatures may indeed be real...but cut and pasted. I bet they ran these through some older thermal fax machines, which tend to run the letters.

1,267 posted on 09/10/2004 8:08:56 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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Dear Dan,

Since you're known to use "down home" phrasiology, here is something for you, "kick off your boots and hang up your hat".
Dan, it's over.

Sincerely,
A. Concerned Citizen

1,295 posted on 09/10/2004 10:00:45 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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