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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Have at it.

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'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'
Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

A transcript is attached:

BUSH DOCUMENTS

EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER

9-10-04

Rather Lead In: There were attacks today on the CBS News "60 Minutes" report this week raising new questions about President Bush's Vietnam-era time in the Texas Air National Guard. The questions raised by our report include:

--Did a wealthy Texas oilman-friend of the Bush family use his influence with the speaker of the Texas House of Representatives .. to get George W. Bush a coveted slot in the National Guard .. keeping him out of the draft and any probable service IN Vietnam?

--Did Lieutenant Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?

--Was Lieutenant. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards?

--Did Lieutenant Bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not?

--And did Lieutenant Bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the Guard?

These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence -- including documents written by Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander.

Today, on the internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story.

They alleged the documents are FAKE.

Rather: MANY OF THOSE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBS DOCUMENTS HAVE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING CALLED SUPERSCRIPT... A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S. BUT SOME MODELS DID....IN FACT, OTHER BUSH MILITARY RECORDS ALREADY OFFICIALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF SHOW THE SAME SUPERSCRIPT.

HERE'S ONE..... FROM 1968.

SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.

BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931. DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.

HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVEBEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES.

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.

HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.

Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."

Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.

Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."

Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."

Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."

Rather: ROBERT STRONG WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE VIETNAM YEARS. HE KNEW COL. JERRY KILLIAN, THE MAN CREDITED WITH WRITING THE DOCUMENTS.... AND PAPER WORK... LIKE THESE DOCUMENTS...WAS HIS SPECIALTY. HE IS STANDING BY HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL.

Rather: "WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT THESE ARE GENUINE?"

Strong: "WELL,, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY BUSINESS WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAN THAT I REMEMBER JERRY KILLIAN BEING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S DISCORDANT WITH WHAT WERE THE TIMES, WHAT WERE THE SITUATION OR WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED."

Rather: STRONG SAYS THE HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE GUARD AT THE TIME... WAS PERFECTLY REPRESENTED IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS

Strong: "IT VERGED ON OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE FAVORS THAT WERE DONE, THE POWER THAT WAS TRADED. AND IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE. FROM A MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDPOINT. IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE."

Rather: IT IS THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT IS MOST COMPELLING FOR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORD IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. AUTHOR JIM MORE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT.

Rather: "YOU'VE STUDIED PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORDS FOR 10 YEARS.. ARE THESE DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORD AS YOU KNOW IT?"

Moore: "THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORDS AS I KNOW IT."

Rather: "PUT IT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE FOR US ... THE STORY AND WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTERATTACK ON THE STORY. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?

Moore "I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS SOME INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS HAVE COME OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER, HAS NOT DISCREDITED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE RELYING ON THE BLOGOSPHERE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE PROBABLY KNOWS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT REAL."

Rather Tag: The "60 Minutes" report was based NOT solely on the recovered documents .. but on a preponderance of evidence .. including documents that were provided by un-impeachable sources .. and interviews with former officials of the Texas National Guard. If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

So far, there is none.


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To: Musket
SUMNER M. REDSTONE
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, Viacom
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, National Amusements, Inc.

Sumner M. Redstone is Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Viacom. Under his leadership, Viacom has become one of the world's largest entertainment and media companies, and a leader in the production, promotion and distribution of entertainment, news, sports, music and comedy. Viacom's properties include CBS, MTV, Nickelodeon, VH1, BET, Paramount Pictures, Viacom Outdoor, Infinity Broadcasting, UPN, Spike TV, TV Land, CMT: Country Music Television, Comedy Central, Showtime, Blockbuster and Simon & Schuster. National Amusements, Inc., a closely held corporation which operates approximately 1,400 motion picture screens in the United States, the United Kingdom and South America, is the parent company of Viacom.

Mr. Redstone has been Chairman of the Board of Viacom since June 1987, when National Amusements, Inc. acquired a controlling interest in the New York-based company. In January 1996, Mr. Redstone took on additional responsibilities as Chief Executive Officer of Viacom. Mr. Redstone has been Chairman of the Board of National Amusements since 1986, and Chief Executive Officer of National Amusements since July 1967. He was President of National Amusements from July 1967 to December 1999.

Mr. Redstone has played a significant role in the affairs of the entertainment and communications industries. He is a member of the Advisory Council for the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences Foundation and is on the Board of Trustees for The Museum of Television and Radio. He also served as Chairman of the Board of the National Association of Theatre Owners, and currently is a member of the Executive Committee of that organization. Before that, he was President of the Theatre Owners of America, which was then the major trade association representing motion picture exhibitors.

Mr. Redstone enjoys and takes pride in teaching college men and women, and has lectured at a variety of universities, including Harvard Law School and Brandeis University. While serving as a Law Clerk in the Court of Appeals, Mr. Redstone taught at the University of San Francisco. In 1982, he joined the faculty of the Boston University School of Law, where he created one of the nation's first courses in entertainment law. In May 1994, Mr. Redstone received an honorary Doctor of Laws from Boston University.

Mr. Redstone also devotes a large portion of his time and energy to civic and community affairs. He is a member of the Board of Overseers of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. He served as State Crusade Chairman for the American Cancer Society from 1984 to 1986, and currently serves as Vice President, as well as a member of the Executive Committee, of the Will Rogers Memorial Fund. He is a member of the Corporation of the Massachusetts General Hospital and is on the Board of Overseers of the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. He is a member of the Executive Board of the Combined Jewish Philanthropies of Greater Boston. Mr. Redstone has served as the Chairman of the Jimmy Fund (Children's Cancer Research Foundation), and was a member of the Corporation of the New England Medical Center. He is a former Chairman of the Metropolitan Division of the Combined Jewish Philanthropies.

During the Carter Administration, he was appointed a member of the Presidential Advisory Committee of the Arts for the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, and in 1984, was appointed a Director of the Kennedy Presidential Library Foundation. He also has served as a judge on the Foundation's select committee to award the annual John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award, each year since the Award's inception in 1990.

Mr. Redstone began his career as Law Secretary with the U.S. Court of Appeals, and then served as a Special Assistant to the U.S. Attorney General. Subsequently, he was a partner with the law firm of Ford, Bergson, Adams, Borkland and Redstone in Washington, D.C. In 1954, he joined National Amusements, Inc., which he then organized into the successful company it is today. Based in Dedham, Massachusetts, National Amusements is one of the largest motion picture circuits in the United States.

Mr. Redstone served in the Military Intelligence Division during World War II. While a student at Harvard, he was selected by Japanese history professor Edwin Reischauer (later Ambassador to Japan) to join a special intelligence group whose mission was to break Japan's high-level military and diplomatic codes. In connection with these activities, Mr. Redstone received, among other honors, two commendations from the Military Intelligence Division in recognition of his service, contribution and devotion to duty. He is also a recipient of the Army Commendation Award.

Mr. Redstone's education began at Boston Latin School, where he graduated first in his class. In 1944, after studying for two and one-half years at Harvard College, he was awarded a degree by Harvard University's Special Board of Overseers. In 1947, Mr. Redstone received his LL.B. from the Harvard University School of Law.

661 posted on 09/10/2004 4:03:59 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: BlessedBeGod; All

I believe that is the "kerning" issue in the list.
Someone correct me if it isn't.


662 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:10 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: numberonepal
"and are far removed from the documents cbs started with"

Listen closely. They are going to try to forge them a second time, better, and then allege that all the silly bits detected so far are due to scanning etc. New originals. It is a juvenile idea, to the technically inclined who have seen the PDFs etc. But they haven't given up.

663 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:13 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: All

http://www.forensic.org/experts/matley.html


664 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:15 PM PDT by cmurphy
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Thanks. I'll check it out tonite.


665 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:26 PM PDT by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: Max7
That needs to be repeated and emphasized:

Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.
666 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:30 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Come on Dan! OPUS! OPUS! OPUS! OPUS!


667 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:32 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast


Is this the guy?
668 posted on 09/10/2004 4:04:49 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks for the recap.

It appears good ole Dan received the documents, talked to a few people, disregarded some, had the signature checked, and then ran with the story.

At no point did he have the overall document checked and now that he has been caught, he is covering up.

In his mind, he carried out the professional procedures that a journalist would normally follow. Case closed.

The bigger issue is that his bias stood in the way of his scruitinizing the document when he first received it.


669 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:04 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: TomGuy

Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.

Yup ! that s the KEY rebuttal


670 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:13 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: All
Does anyone have a transcript yet?
671 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:21 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: baseballmom

Hey, there's a really good one called Brummel and something my Husband loves....try it (but, don't tell him it has yogurt in it!!!!)


672 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: Howlin

Dan Rather has admitted to using heroin in the past (strictly for experimentation purposes as a journalist). I hope he doesn't hit the hard stuff again when he finds himself out of work.


673 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:24 PM PDT by weegee (What's the provenance, Kenneth? Where did the forged SeeBS memo come from?)
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To: goodnesswins

Rather's expert was involved in the Vince Foster investigation.

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=Marcel+Matley&ei=UTF-8&cop=mss&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=21&u=www.tpo.net/politics/vince_foster/Unsolved22Mar96.html&w=marcel+matley&d=CE6E98A27C&icp=1&.intl=us


674 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:24 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

So, we HAVE to investigate a charge because they tell us to?

Hell No!!!!!!

I don't do what the dems tell me to do - even though the whole world operates on "what will the dems say?"


675 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:36 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Vote for President Bush - For our grandchildren. Democrats are not to be trusted with our country)
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To: Howlin

I conclude Dan believes his viewers will still accept what he says without question -- just like they did twenty years ago.

Nobody believes these documents are real except the extreme koolaid drinkers. It's over for Dan and CBS. The adults at Black Rock should have stepped in.


676 posted on 09/10/2004 4:05:52 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Edward R. Murrow, call your office.)
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To: All

NBC Nightly News had an FBI trained document expert on with David Gregory.
His opinion was that it was a forgery -without any doubt or hestitation.
He also said that any trained document expert would come to the same conclusion.


677 posted on 09/10/2004 4:06:28 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: zlala
Matley was used on the Kurt Cobain suicide note. He was also hired by Unsolved Mysteries to review Vince Foster's suicide note. Unsolved Mysteries was originally an NBC series program, but then went to CBS as a series. It was at CBS that it had it's final season. Here's a link to an analysis on the web:

Click Here

According to another website: "Handwriting Expert Marcel Matley: "The last four lines of the suicide letter, which include the words 'I love you, I love you,' were written by a different person. There are differences in the two."

And:

"In 1995 Matley was part of a national commission that determined the authenticity of the suicide note of President Clinton's former White House counsel, Vince Foster."

678 posted on 09/10/2004 4:06:38 PM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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To: Semi Civil Servant
I just emailed my local affiliate......

Dan Rather is a LIAR! And, we "common people" have figured it out!!!!

679 posted on 09/10/2004 4:06:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: JusPasenThru
Good tag. This scandal should definitely be called RatherGate.
680 posted on 09/10/2004 4:06:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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