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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Have at it.

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'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'
Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

A transcript is attached:

BUSH DOCUMENTS

EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER

9-10-04

Rather Lead In: There were attacks today on the CBS News "60 Minutes" report this week raising new questions about President Bush's Vietnam-era time in the Texas Air National Guard. The questions raised by our report include:

--Did a wealthy Texas oilman-friend of the Bush family use his influence with the speaker of the Texas House of Representatives .. to get George W. Bush a coveted slot in the National Guard .. keeping him out of the draft and any probable service IN Vietnam?

--Did Lieutenant Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?

--Was Lieutenant. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards?

--Did Lieutenant Bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not?

--And did Lieutenant Bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the Guard?

These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence -- including documents written by Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander.

Today, on the internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story.

They alleged the documents are FAKE.

Rather: MANY OF THOSE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBS DOCUMENTS HAVE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING CALLED SUPERSCRIPT... A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S. BUT SOME MODELS DID....IN FACT, OTHER BUSH MILITARY RECORDS ALREADY OFFICIALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF SHOW THE SAME SUPERSCRIPT.

HERE'S ONE..... FROM 1968.

SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.

BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931. DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.

HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVEBEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES.

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.

HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.

Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."

Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.

Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."

Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."

Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."

Rather: ROBERT STRONG WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE VIETNAM YEARS. HE KNEW COL. JERRY KILLIAN, THE MAN CREDITED WITH WRITING THE DOCUMENTS.... AND PAPER WORK... LIKE THESE DOCUMENTS...WAS HIS SPECIALTY. HE IS STANDING BY HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL.

Rather: "WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT THESE ARE GENUINE?"

Strong: "WELL,, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY BUSINESS WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAN THAT I REMEMBER JERRY KILLIAN BEING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S DISCORDANT WITH WHAT WERE THE TIMES, WHAT WERE THE SITUATION OR WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED."

Rather: STRONG SAYS THE HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE GUARD AT THE TIME... WAS PERFECTLY REPRESENTED IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS

Strong: "IT VERGED ON OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE FAVORS THAT WERE DONE, THE POWER THAT WAS TRADED. AND IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE. FROM A MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDPOINT. IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE."

Rather: IT IS THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT IS MOST COMPELLING FOR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORD IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. AUTHOR JIM MORE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT.

Rather: "YOU'VE STUDIED PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORDS FOR 10 YEARS.. ARE THESE DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORD AS YOU KNOW IT?"

Moore: "THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORDS AS I KNOW IT."

Rather: "PUT IT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE FOR US ... THE STORY AND WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTERATTACK ON THE STORY. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?

Moore "I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS SOME INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS HAVE COME OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER, HAS NOT DISCREDITED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE RELYING ON THE BLOGOSPHERE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE PROBABLY KNOWS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT REAL."

Rather Tag: The "60 Minutes" report was based NOT solely on the recovered documents .. but on a preponderance of evidence .. including documents that were provided by un-impeachable sources .. and interviews with former officials of the Texas National Guard. If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

So far, there is none.


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To: BluSky

"shove it."

That is what he said alright!


521 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:01 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Merry
Juan Williams is a DESPERATE PARTISAN HACK and is spouting the DNC Talking Points. (It's not about the memos, it's about "service", blah blah blah) Fisticuffs with Fred aren't far behind.

Yo, Juan! Get a brain! President Bush has PROVEN "service" as Commander in Chief! F'n has PROVEN "service" as a no-show senator (unless it's to vote against arming our military) and Metrosexual Wimp.

522 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:02 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: P-Marlowe
AS I said on another thread, whoever forged these isn't smart at all. They didn't even think to use a monotype font, nor look at REAL documents from that time. Why didn't they go look at Kerry's PDFs for ideas...

Oh, wait a second!!!

523 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:04 PM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: jbarkley

Brits day off is Friday


524 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:04 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGED KERRY!)
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To: rintense
DNC has run out of talking points and switching to yelling points!

Juan's last attempt was to try and say that JFK2nd's (no superscript) service qualifies him to be CINC. Dem Mort Kondracke shouts him down!

525 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:06 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: gore_sux
Sounds like Mort has been fully converted tonight!

Maybe. But, I get the feeling he'd sure like to smack Juan upside the head a few times ;^D

526 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:14 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: rocklobster11

Sounds like Danny boy made a real nice straw man to knock down. Pathetic.


527 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:24 PM PDT by thecabal ("For all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!" --Aragorn)
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To: All

Contact info for document examiner:

Marcel Matley:

Bus (415) 753-2832
Bus (800) 367-8403
Fax (415) 753-3346
mmatley@aol.com


528 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Petronski
Ask Killian's Son or his Widow. They told CBS the memos were wrong, but their words were dismissed.

AAAARGH! I thought the same thing when I heard that! My blood was boiling, I can't imagine how they feel!

529 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:29 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Howlin
No mention of where the documents came from? Not the wife!

Let's hope the pressure is building in the board room of VIACOM!

530 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:51 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: tioga

OMG, juan is totally unglued..

yEAH I was waiting for that vien on his forehead to blow!


531 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:52 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Petronski
Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.

Right. Nobody said that the Times Roman font didn't exist then, only that it wasn't commonly used on typewriters of the time. And the original Bush document with the raised th was typed in Courier, not Times Roman.

532 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:52 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Army drug testing began end of 1973 and early 1974 in Germany....perhaps earlier elsewhere.

I know because I was a young enlisted guy in Germany who had to (among other things) label the pee bottles.


533 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: Howlin; All

He's based in San Fransisco. Everyone in Frisco besides Michael Savage is a nut ball liberal.


534 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:59 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: YaYa123

The questions RAther read off were right off that DNC Alert!

This damn thing is SO coordinated.


535 posted on 09/10/2004 3:51:59 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Petronski; mhking
I think telling the blogosphere to F**k Off is a very bad idea, like fighting a fire with gasoline.

Jay & Silent Bob learned their lesson about Talkbacks in their "final" film.

536 posted on 09/10/2004 3:52:00 PM PDT by weegee (What's the provenance, Kenneth? Where did the forged SeeBS memo come from?)
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To: TXBubba

Should get the NBC report next hour on Hardball...they usually repeat the major "political" news segment.


537 posted on 09/10/2004 3:52:06 PM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: jbarkley

Brit always has Friday's off. But, my suggestion to Juan---Call in sick on Sunday!


538 posted on 09/10/2004 3:52:13 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: GailA

Roger. Mentioned early on. One of the docs writes the date 14 August, 1973. The correct military rendering of a date is 14 Aug 1973. 3 letter month abbrev and no comma after the month.


539 posted on 09/10/2004 3:52:17 PM PDT by USMA83
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To: longtermmemmory
Fon news Juan willians is going nutz attacking the typriter part!

In fact it is Fox I am watching. Juan is saying the same thing Rather did today ... the seriousness of the charges outweigh the document's authenticity. Which is absurd.

540 posted on 09/10/2004 3:52:19 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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