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To: DoughtyOne
What I do think is wrong, is that our workers are having to compete with with people, who's standards of living are almost non-existant, for wages.

You mean like people living in San Fransisco, CA competing with people who live in Wheeling, WV? The former's standard of living is quite high when compared with the latter.

If it is OK for capital to flow to those states where wages are lower then why is it wrong for capital to flow to those countries where wages are lower?

69 posted on 09/10/2004 9:29:29 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Erik, without spending more time than I care to waste right now, I'll give it to you in a nutshell. Capitalism works wonderfully within closed markets. When you try to expand it across the global divide a lot of very strange things start to take place.

When corporations become transnational, they become robber barons that would sell their grandmother for a buck. We spend literally centuries or even decades to develop techniques that place us in a superior position. Then globalists gave that technique to our fiercest competitor.

It doesn't matter if it's just tools and dies, military technology or even strategic information that might threaten us.

When Loral gifted China with our MIRV and gyroscope technology, they provided the means for China to hit our cities with exponentially better accuracy than they were able to before. They also facilitated China putting multiple warheads on their nukes.

Corporations have no loyalty. If the U.S. goes down, that corporation is fine, since it has branches in Germany and Singapore.

I have no problem with Nike creating shoes in China, as long as those shoes are sold in China. That's a productive way to create jobs globally and increase the standard of living over there.

When Nike creates shoes in China a then ships them back here, it eliminates a good paying job here. Yes, that is important.

While some folks laugh that off, where do they think local, regional, state and federal tax dollars come from? Is it any wonder that local communities, states and the federal government are hurting for tax revenues?

The next time you go to your kid's PTA and they lament cutbacks, lost financing, ask yourself how happy you are that income taxes that should have increased along with increased wages over time, haven't.


89 posted on 09/10/2004 11:33:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Erik Latranyi
If it is OK for capital to flow to those states where wages are lower then why is it wrong for capital to flow to those countries where wages are lower?

Because we are not just a collection of autonomous individuals bumping into each other with social Brownian motion. We are a *country* - a national community - a *society.* I would think on September 11, on this day of all days, we would understand and appreciate the virtue of *patriotism.*

God created all people in His image, but some people have a greater claim on our allegiance than others. First there's our family, then our neighborhood, our city, then our state, and ultimately our nation. If we don't have a nation and a national consciousness, ultimately dead-end jobs for virtually everyone will be the *least* of our problems. You can't protect from invasion that which you do not value. Ask the Romans in the late fifth century AD.

108 posted on 09/11/2004 5:37:18 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: Erik Latranyi
If it is OK for capital to flow to those states where wages are lower then why is it wrong for capital to flow to those countries where wages are lower?

Why have borders?
132 posted on 09/11/2004 9:46:04 AM PDT by lelio
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