BREAKING FROM HANNITY: CBS Producer in Dallas source of Documents

Hannity.com | 09/10/2004 | Hannity

[WoodstockCat]

Hannity just said a story will be filed later today that from sources inside CBS that the source of the documents is also the one who provided the Abu Grihab prison photos.

[Howlin]

These are the same people involved in this.....all the smears......especially those Texas people!

[ninonitti]

I saw this on another thread and the verdict was that this too was a recent document.

[tobyhill]

I'm very much aware these documents are phony, I just found it funny that Rathers and CBS are blaming others at the same time they plan on defending the documents.

[Shermy]

#457

You all should take a look at Khan's chat board find.

Indicates a couple of fellows back in January seeming to discuss the docs. These phonies could be stuff floating around Texas for years!

BTW, this is, I believe, Khan's first FontGate post. He's quite a diligent researcher as proven on the FR anthrax buster threads. Kudos.

[mabelkitty]

It is well proven here, but not by the MSM, that military documents are Kerry's site are forged.
John Lehman came right out and stated his signature on one of Kerry's citations was not put there by him, and he did not know how it got there.

Of course Dan Rather would never investigate that.

Kerry also forged a V for Valor on his Silver Star - no such animal.

[GoLightly]

The Selectric used the little ball, but did not have the differentiated spacing. The Exectutive had the spacing & it had special chars which could be inserted, the small superscript style TH would have been a likely add on optional key & there would not have been a need to change anything in the middle of typing a document.

[Edit35]

I will never watch BOR again, ever. And, also since O'Reilly wrote a blurb on the back cover of Brinkley's Kerry's "Tour of Duty" book.

Man, what took you so long?

I have been unable to stomach O'Reilly for at least 16 months. In fact I am convinced that 80-percent of his audience are actually DUers and/or libs who are delighted at being able to watch a Fox anchor who buys into the lies and hatred of the loony left.

Besides, I have no respect for any pundit who simply promotes lies just to make people think he is an "independent" libertarian in the middle, or whatever it is Reilly claims to be.

[Criminal Number 18F]

the "th" is only one problem

1. Col. Killian didn't make notes.
2. He didn't type.
3. Wrong military abbreviations.
4. Standard abbrev (NLT) spelled out
5. Wrong address for Bush
6. Pressure from an officer who was no longer in the Guard! (Staudt, who retired the year before Ra^ther mentions him).
7. The "th" (I guarantee you, no typewriter did a scaled-down superscript. No can do).
8. 13-point leading. (First possible with the Mac and Laserwriter, 1987).
9. The text EXACTLY matches microsoft word (you can type the exact document yourself)
10. Times New Roman font -- the default typeface in Word -- has not been used on a typewriter.
11. The odd abbreviation in one case with a missing period in the middle of a three letter abbrev. Type that sentence exactly like that in word, and it looks JUST like that. Add the period and the last word flips to the other line.
12. Dates are not in USAF format
13. Signature block is not in USAF format and is on the right -- requirement at the time was left justified.
14. Document does not match any period doc (and yes, I've seen documents done on that IBM executive typewriter. Citations for the Distinguished Service Cross were done on it as US Army, Vietnam -- it's clearly a different kind of type and spacing).
15. Signature doesn't match Killian's signature approving Bush's request for discharge.

• (A big one): While the experts calling BS on the Ra^ther forgeries all have names, CBS makes hysterical claims of "journalistic investigation" with people that don't have names. If I have learned one thing, it's this: a source without a name does not exist. If real experts authenticated CBS's documents, those experts would have provided affidavits which CBS would be trumpeting now. There are no experts. Note also that the people who have come forward and said they talked to CBS have all said they told CBS the opposite of what the Kerry Campaign, 48th Street Division, claims they said.

Look at the way CBS is digging in on this. Folks, CBS isn't defending these docs because they trust their source. They are defending the docs because they know where they came from. They know, because they made the documents, right there in-house at CBS News.

And they did it in a deliberate (if feeble) attempt to throw an election -- there's gotta be some serious violations of 18 USC in there.

To any CBS folks lurking: do not destroy any memos, and especially not the documents that originally came to you. They are evidence in a criminal investigation, and tampering with such evidence will put you in jail. It's time to call the corporate counsel, and bring in an outside special master to investigate (as CNN did when they got caught trying to push the Oliver/Smith/Arnett Tailwind fabrication).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Tamzee]

Whoops, put this on the wrong thread...

I have to leave in a little while (working a Bush-Cheney table at a function), but hope I can entrust some information to you in case it is needed later?

It looks like this proves the Selectric Composer can't get any larger than 12 pt and CAN'T do kerning... a few sentences later it states that kerning became available in WordPerfect in 1988.

Hope it helps :-)

"History of Word Processing"

"...A model of the Selectric Composer was soon fitted to read tapes created and corrected on the MT/ST. The machine calculated interword spaces, and it was thus necessary to type only once to achieve a justified output.Hyphenation during playback, though operator-assisted,was implemented for the first time. While the MagneticTape Selectric Composer was still very expensive for an office, and was limited to a maximum type size of 12 points, its input could be prepared by a secretary without the special training of a typesetter. It marked an important first step in the marriage of word processing and typeset-ting.’From early in the computer age, typesetters developed the hardware needed to use computer files as input.However, this was limited to letters, numbers, and punctu-ation; formatting, control of type face or size, and use of special characters were only possible if complex codeswere added to the computer files. The results could not bepreviewed on the computer, nor could the transferred files,once processed on the target hardware, be returned for further editing on the computer. The output devices were far too expensive for office or small business use.’ Production of typeset output on the microcomputer itself required an affordable output device with good resolution, speed, and print quality, the ability to handle avariety of type sizes and special characters, and the processing power to calculate microspacing needed to justify lines. The latter is the simplest: the program uses a table containing the widths of each character, calculates the total length of the letters in a line by adding the width of each, subtracting this from the desired line length(measure), and dividing the remainder by the number of interword spaces. The result is then sent to the printer as fractional spacing instructions. In addition, good typeset-ting requires kerning: removing space between selected pairs of letters to achieve a satisfying visual effect. Thisadded to the previous requirement the need to look up pairs of characters in a table and send fractional spacing adjustments to the printer between letters. Proportional spacing was partially implemented onCP/M machines, and fully adapted on both MS-DOS andMacintosh machines in the mid-1980s. Kerning was implemented with WordPerfect 5.0, in 1988. The output device of choice proved to be the laser printer. Daisy-wheel printers could handle proportional spacing, but not varying type sizes...."

http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/deisenbe/compartics/History_of_Word_Processing.pdf

[Shermy]

Tip: must see #457 and followups.

[Howlin]

Folks, CBS isn't defending these docs because they trust their source. They are defending the docs because they know where they came from

Exactly.

[imintrouble]

10 and 12 point print was not necessarily the "size" of the typeface but the spacing....10 characters to an inch and 12 characters to an inch....closer spacing.

There were (as I wrote yesterday) certain elements (balls) on the Selectrics which had specific orders such as copyright, TM trademark and accents for foreign languages, etc. One could conceivably add a superscipt th on an element (ball) if one ordered that as an extra.

I cannot see it happening.... unless there was a mathematical font - element - ball which incorporated some mathematical and scientific shorthand...in which case one could substitute the element (ball) each time the superscript was to be used, remove it and return to the regular element for typing....

[El Gato]

28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.

However, by framing it as orders, whoever did the forging has probably committed a crime rather than mere defamation, which is a civil matter. If the Memo was merely confirming VOCO (verbal orders of the commanding officer) that would be one thing, but the document isn't phrased that way.

Another thing about those "orders". In the document Bush is commanded to report to the Commander 111 FIS, not to the flight surgeon, which would be more appropriate I would think. I know when I got orders to report for a physical, they didn't have me reporting to my CO, but rather to the medical folks. Actually in my case they were orders to schedule a physical and have the results forwarded back to my unit. I had one physical by OK-ANG, One by AF Reserve on an active duty base, and one by TX-ANG, the later even though I was in the AF Reserve, not the TX-ANG. Not counting those done on active duty or for ROTC.

[Khan Noonian Singh]

To those of you who have asked...

I don't know anything else about this, I just did a Google Groups search and found the posting from January...

I think the source will be tracked, whether sooner or whether later.

[El Gato]

And some cheese.

Moose Cheese I presume?

[Howlin]

I've been wondering if this wasn't there "October surprise." (At least I hope it was.)

Somebody posted a thread just yesterday with the supposed inside scoop from CBS saying that the staff was UPSET about Rather running that piece last night but that HE insisted.

Help Kerry's poll numbers?

Finish his vendetta against the Bush family?

[dandelion]

They're discussed on Dec. 30 2003 HERE!!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22po+box+34567%22+bush&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=43mIb.3344375%24be.518897%40news.easynews.com&rnum=6

..."Let me clue you in on something old Sport. Those documents you are basing
your bullshit on are as phony as a 3 dollar bill. If you knew anything at
all about such matters you would recognize that right off. For instance,
look at the Chronilogical record of service. Don't you think someone in the
military would at least know the proper format for a military date? The
person that doctored that particular record did not know it. Look at the
letter from the Captain at Ellington. Do you really think he would
correspond with another officer on Reserve related business using personal
home addresses, and phony ones at that. PO Box 34567????? Give me a break.
Hell the Zip Code ain't even close. Look at any of the other documents.
Hell, send Marty the 7 bucks and buy them all. If you see a DOD seal or
watermark on any of them, I'll pay you back your 7 plus a 100.

So like I said. Take it to the comedy channel. You'll have better luck
finding some suckers there."...

[okstate]

"When you type the same letters on a computer next to each other the are automatically 'kerned' or 'grouped' so that their individual spaces actually overlap. e. g., TO. As one can readily see the curvature of the 'O' nestles neatly under the cross bar of the 'T'."

Maybe it's my computer, but your "TO" does not overlap.

[abner]

Where is your article?

[Samwise]

This is how we kerned in the seventies.

http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/woverbeck/dtr5.htm