New National Polls Show Assault Weapons Ban Wedge Factor in Election

Join Together ^

[Dan from Michigan]

First off, I never heard of the polling firm.

Secondly, if they want to push on this as a wedge, I'll counter with the .30-30 ban that Kerry voted for. We'll see who wins thete.

Third, I remember 1994 well.

Fourth, what's the question asked?

[John Jorsett]

Fourth, what's the question asked?

"Do you favor renewal of the assault weapons ban, or do you want innocent children to die?"

[skaterboy]

500 with a 4.38 moe?

This is like a Zogby poll..IT SUXS

[marlon]

I believe 4th was, who said Bush was blocking it? Last I heard he said he supported it, although he's clearly not breaking his back to push it through! Ahhh, strategery.

[Hugin]

In Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, President Bush loses significant ground on being "best equipped to handle terrorism" after voters are told his position on the Assault Weapons Ban;

Lol. What exactly were they "told"?

[tet68]

Support for renewal of the ban has also been the subject of over 85 editorials in newspapers in 32 states -- from Alabama, Georgia and Texas to California, Illinois and Michigan

Whoopie Sh*t.
An editorial means zip, nada, nothing.

Die Bit*h,DIE!

[denydenydeny]

Could this be any more of a push-poll?

[Sola Veritas]

This poll is pure unadulterated BS. There are only two groups that care about the so called "assault weapons ban." The first, to which I belong, are 2nd Ammendment advocates like the NRA - we don't like someone telling us we can't keep and bear military style arms - the whole purpose of the 2nd Ammendment. The second are the types that don't trust anyone with a firearm - especially those that are weapons (Feinstein, Schmurr, ad naseum).

The average Joe or Jane doens't get a rip either way.

[Ancesthntr]

Most of the people polled don't even know the meaning of "assault weapon" in the AWB. By most I mean 99%.

The simple fact is that this is a BS poll conducted by an unknown organization, which coincidentally came out on the last scheduled legislative day before the AWB is scheduled to die. Someone is desperate.

[Riley]

"According to Washington Business Forward, PSB's "reputation is largely as a Democratic political polling firm, closely associated with both President Bill Clinton's administration as well as the Senate campaign of his wife Hillary. But the firm also worked for Republican Michael Bloomberg in his mayoral bid in New York City, generating huge fees from the multi-millionaire self-financed candidate that caught some press attention during the campaign. ... Major corporate clients over the years have included AT&T, Coca-Cola, American Express, BP, Novartis and Microsoft."[5][6] "

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_%26_Berland

[jwalsh07]

Kerry loses on the issue of guns in swing states.

It's why the moron talks about low crawling with his trusty shotgun while deer hunting.

End of story, end of spin.

Next.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Dan,

I just spoke with Eric at this phone number, and he is sending me the specific questions that were asked. You my want to contact him as well.
Contact: Eric Pugatch Phone: 212-685-4300

When/if he responds, I'll add his comments, and invite him to defend his assumptions on the poll.

(Frankly, I'm skeptical that this could be a "pivotal issue" at all, since the AWB is NOT being discussed by the mainstream media's national press corpse. IF the demo's wanted it pushed, the media would be pressing the issue.

Instead, the media is (trying to) focus on Bush's National Guard service, and ignoring the AWB.)

[Dan from Michigan]

Well, look at what I found. This is a push poll BS style.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.php?release=562

Americans for Gun Safety/Penn, Schoen, and Berland Associates (October 2003): 77% support renewing Assault Weapons Ban

AGS - Started by Andrew McKelvey. Hired one of Schumer's chiefs Jon Cowan, and was in Atlanta consulting the democraps on the gun issue in order to attempt to fool us.

[from occupied ga]

Jointogether is an antigun organization like HCI - like they'd bother with the truth on a gun issue. Might as well get your "facts" from upChuck Schemer or Diane Feinswine

[beelzepug]

(viewed as) "...a pivotal indicator of his lack of leadership on homeland security."

A gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen IS homeland security.

[ArrogantBustard]

Last I heard he said he supported it, although he's clearly not breaking his back to push it through!

He supported it (in words) before he didn't support it (in actions). I'm paying rather more attention to his actions (or lack thereof) than his words.

I staked out a position months ago that the ugly-gun ban was my make-or-break issue on voting Bush vs. voting Constitution Party. If the ugly gun ban is dead on Sept. 14, I'll be sending a big check to the Bush-Cheney campaign. If it stays dead, I'll be voting for Bush-Cheney.

Right now, things are looking pretty good for the President.

[Cold Heart]

It's another false document. Bush is not refusing to renew the ban.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Support for renewal of the ban has also been the subject of over 85 editorials in newspapers in 32 states

Want to guess where 85 of their "blind poll" responses came from?

[Dan from Michigan]

I know all about Join Together. I read them (especially Dick Dahl's bull) to see the other side.

[sinkspur]

"Schoen" is Doug Schoen, a longtime Democrat pollster.

This poll is bogus. If the assault weapons ban was a big issue, the Democrats would be running like hell on it.

Most folks care about it, but not that much.