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Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election (the cracks are starting to appear)
Newsmax.com ^ | Sep 10, 2004 | Newsmax

Posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:17 AM PDT by Hank All-American

Friday, Sept. 10, 2004 12:59 a.m. EDT Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."

"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.

"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue, [in] the last 24 hours, that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this." Caddell said he wasn't trying be sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead, "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."

He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.

"The race is over - and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ang; bush; forgeries; killian
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To: Hank All-American
I don't think this will do any damage to the Kerry campaign, whatsoever. Nobody has a reason to vote for the guy, just against Pres. Bush. One more lie won't hurt Kerry's standing with his loyalists, the "undecideds" will give him the benefit of the doubt (don't wanna be judgmental, doncha know?), and the lamestream media will pretend this never happened. Net loss to Kerry is zero. There might be a net loss to President Bush (Karl Rove set the DNC and CBS up!).

Bush needs to forget Kerry and concentrate on reasons to vote for him: "Prior to the last election, I promised the following and this is how I delivered, despite the most devastating attack on American soil by a foreign foe since the War of 1812. In this term I promise to work on the following and you know I keep my promises..." I think he has been doing a good job at this so far.

The debates may well determine the election - look for the LSM to spin them furiously in Kerry's favor.
41 posted on 09/10/2004 10:33:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: wideawake

Tend to agree. These things always look bigger when they're in your face.

Have to remember the the MSM is still the huge filter that the vast majority of people get their news through. They will throw a blanket over this and it will die down in a short period of time.

Case in point - Sandy Beger.

All in all, though, a huge short term boost for Bush and the Republicans.


42 posted on 09/10/2004 10:33:41 AM PDT by keat ("Don't you ever take the name of Texas in vain." - Sandy Cheeks)
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To: wideawake

I agree. the mainstream media still controls the news that american democrats and many swing voters see, and they can still bury this story or put some spin on it to make it seem less blatant then it really is. to get a real landslide for Bush, you'd have to cut into the votes from the Dem base - and the media isn't going to allow that.

still, every news cycle that Kerry fails to make points in now - is a win for Bush. and this story should knock about 5 cycles out of the remaining 54.


43 posted on 09/10/2004 10:33:53 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: nutmeg

bttt


44 posted on 09/10/2004 10:33:58 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Hank All-American
The documents ARE forged BUT CBS & Rather are going to dig in; claim the docs are authentic; refuse to turn them over to an independent third party; refuse to name the sources of the documents. In essence their reaction will seal their fate.
45 posted on 09/10/2004 10:34:04 AM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I really believe that the Clintons are behind the Kerry downfall that is slowly taking place...yes Bush would have still won but secretly there is a war room for Hillary somewhere...her think tanks are preparing for 2008 Of course the liberal left will say that our side is creating this
46 posted on 09/10/2004 10:35:00 AM PDT by PaulaB (From Kerry they get a yes-no-maybe bowl of mush that can only encourage enemies and confuse friends)
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To: TexasRepublic

I can't believe that a GOP person would be behind this for the following reason:

The media is already rabid in their hatred for Bush. Why would a GOP person give the media another opportunity to the media to fawn over something bashing Bush?


47 posted on 09/10/2004 10:35:24 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: TexasRepublic

I can't believe that a GOP person would be behind this for the following reason:

The media is already rabid in their hatred for Bush. Why would a GOP person give the media another opportunity to the media to fawn over something bashing Bush?


48 posted on 09/10/2004 10:35:33 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
At least not as long as Hillary Rob'em Clinton has anything to say about it.

Even if Senator Clinton were to die in a freak Pilates accident (heaven forfend!), Senator Kerry would never get another nomination.

Parenthetically, a friend who is a diehard Democrat and a pollster feels that Senator Clinton is too divisive a candidate to be nominated. He also feels that she has created her own enemies within the Party - for example, Senator Schumer would do anything to block her.

49 posted on 09/10/2004 10:35:42 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: bayourod
John Kerry: "Mr. Bush, make them stop talking about forged documents."

Who do you think Kerry will send to Texas to deliver the message tbis time? Kitty Kelley? The director of CBS's "The Reagans"? One of the four authors of the anti-Bush books featured on 60 Minutes this year?

50 posted on 09/10/2004 10:36:40 AM PDT by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Brilliant

The dems are far from conceding anything. They just don't know what to do at this point. If they stick with it, they may get badly burned since they are obviously fakes. But they also know if they can just get a couple of experts to say "maybe," they can still insist they are real. On the other hand, they can go into spin-mode, blaming it on a Republican dirty-trick, but that puts them into a very tough position, having admitted they are fake.


51 posted on 09/10/2004 10:37:10 AM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Redcoat LI
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys/gals/transsexuals.

This reminds me of a joke I recently heard:

two women went into a bridal floral store in Kerry State and the attendant approached them. The attendant asked "Are you the Bride, Groom, Bridemaid or Best Man?"

52 posted on 09/10/2004 10:38:38 AM PDT by prophetic (Dems investigate for pre 9/11intel - but now we've LOTS of Intel and they claim politics)
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To: Hank All-American

It's too late to save the Democratic party. The socialist left needs to go down in flames and be purged before they can come back.


53 posted on 09/10/2004 10:38:51 AM PDT by Styria
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To: Hank All-American

When listening to CNN and MSNBC reporting this a.m., the two networks are wording the story as if documents from the official DOD records BUSH released are forgeries, and not stating that the docs came from CBS. This is going to make lots of people think BUSH forged the documents...The crapola continues.


54 posted on 09/10/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: Hank All-American
Regarding the impact of this on the 'rats, Pat Caddell is wrong for all the right reasons. He is an old school guy, one of a vanishing breed ... dare I say it ... an honest liberal.

Caddell was a standup guy on the multiple Clinton scandals, denounced not only Clinton but the Kool Aide drinkers for circling the wagons, and called for forthright investigation, resignation, and (IIRC) impeachment. He might as well have been whispering in a hurricane for all the effect he had.

Caddell is a standup guy now, but he no longer understands his Party. It is thoroughly corrupted. This affair might well cost Kerry the election by alienating swing voters, but the average 'rat voter could care less. Just as the only lesson the 'rats took from Watergate is that Nixon should have burned the tapes, the only lesson the 'rat leadership will take now is that they were careless enough to get caught. Next time they will be more careful.

56 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:02 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: okiegop

SeeBS is doing the old Clintonista trick -- lie, lie, lie, delay, delay, delay, deny, deny, deny..........tick, tick, tick.............is it going to work again or will the alternate media (FREE REPUBLIC -- YAY!!) win the day?


57 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:03 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: hobson

the democrats, micheal moore, hollywood, john kerry, john edwards, hate, accusations, tereeeeeeeeeza, texans against bush, dixie chicks, musicians aganst bush, all of the above has opened the EYES of americans.


58 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:10 AM PDT by JFC
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To: 1Old Pro

O f course the forged documents are not the sole fault of the Dems losing, they are merely a link in a long chain of things that caused the downfall. Even before the Swift boat ads shots were being fired, but the Swiftees fired the first
Broadside and it hit right along the waterline of kerrys craft and tore off the sails, This should take down the masts. Pretty soon the pumps will be overwhelmed and he will sink.


59 posted on 09/10/2004 10:41:25 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: wideawake

Can anyone here put the memos back up on screen?


60 posted on 09/10/2004 10:41:34 AM PDT by Old Professer (The enemy is among us; he is us; we know it, we dare not say it - someone will be offended.)
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