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UPDATE OF A STORY: A V.V.A.R. SPECIAL

http://www.i-served.com/v-v-a-r.org/040704_KerrySOS.html

The Los Angeles Times recently reported that selected leaders of Kerry’s Vietnam Veterans Against the War met with representatives of Hanoi who told these leaders which senators they wanted assassinated, and that Kerry participated in a “closed-door discussion” on November of 1971 on whether to do this. Kerry denies this, saying he resigned the organization in July of 1971. But there is a problem. Reporter Thomas H. Lipscomb in an article in The New York Sun wrote:



“A Vietnam veteran who said he remembers John Kerry participating in a November 1971 Kansas City meeting at which an assassination plot was discussed says an official with the Kerry presidential campaign called him this month and pressured him to change his story. The veteran, John Musgrave, says he was called twice by the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, who told him,”Why don’t you refresh your memory and call that reporter back ?” Musgrave said, “I told Hurley it was my first meeting as an state officer of VVAW and I remember Kerry being there. I remember what I remember.”



By then, the recollections of six witnesses, along with minutes and FBI records, placed Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, but the story has since then been sanitized until it simply disappeared. However, John Musgrave is a friend of Mr. Magruder and lives in the same area in Kansas. He was one of 62 Vietnam vets Mr. Magruder interviewed in Houston for this film. He appears in a photo with Mr. Magruder and General William Westmoreland at the end of the film. At that time Musgrave was running for President of Vietnam Veterans of America. Said Mr. Magruder, “Musgrave once autographed a book of his for me, On Snipers, Laughter, and Death:Vietnam Poems, as follows: “To Len - a true friend of the Vietnam veteran and a friend of mine - your buddy- John.” Said Mr. Magruder, “I have great admiration for John Musgrave. He is a man of great integrity and courage. He was very badly wounded in Vietnam and earned three Purple Hearts. He is very highly regarded in this community . He got out of VVAW when he saw how it was being used by the Left. If he says Kerry was at that meeting in Kansas City, then Kerry was at that meeting, period. I think Kerry has a problem here that has been buried by a media that is campaigning for Kerry.”


2 posted on 09/10/2004 7:38:26 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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Bump!!!!!


7 posted on 09/10/2004 7:57:32 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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By then, the recollections of six witnesses, along with minutes and FBI records, placed Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, but the story has since then been sanitized until it simply disappeared.

This is actually a huge story, they no one talks about. Kerry lied to his biographer to cover up the fact he was at a meeting that plotted the killing of high-level US politicians. Kerry reportedly did resign at the meeting, but this is huge that Kerry even belong to such a group, let alone being a national leader for this extremist organization.

9 posted on 09/10/2004 8:01:52 AM PDT by Always Right
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Thanks for the ping. Kerry and the antiwar movement in general were definitely in contact with the Communist Party as well as Communist-infiltrated Trotskyite groups like the Socialist Workers Party both here and abroad through numerous channels. One of the key ones was the World Peace Council (WPC), which served to link the Soviets and North Vietnamese to the international antiwar movement through international meetings like those VVAW representatives attended in Oslo and Paris. Another important link was the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) which had connections to the Winter Soldier Investigation through the Citizens Commission of Inquiry (CCI). Then of course there was VVAW's link to Jane Fonda--the list goes on and on. And prior to his association with the VVAW, Kerry had been linked to the Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC), which coordinated with Moscow and Hanoi through the New Mobe; and Robert Drinan, who had travelled to North Vietnam in 1969 before Kerry started working for him and had numerous other Communist connections.

Regarding the Kansas City meeting, I was reviewing Nicosia's account of that today, and what's really striking there is that his account of the Kansas City meeting is otherwise accurate, but for some reason he mistakenly describes Kerry's resignation from the executive committee as occurring at an earlier meeting in St. Louis in July 1971. Why did Nicosia happen to get that particular detail wrong? Curiously, the source he cites for this information is not Kerry himself, but interviews with Joe Urgo, Al Hubbard, and Mike Oliver, with Oliver appearing to be the main source. Citing Oliver, he attributes Kerry's resignation to a conflict between Kerry and Hubbard at that time stemming from a few months earlier at Dewey Canyon when Hubbard had embarrassed Kerry by being exposed as a fraud just when Kerry was about to testify to the Senate. After this, Nicosia cites Oliver recounting, Kerry became concerned that Hubbard's fraudulent tactics and revolutionary rhetoric might undermine the VVAW's credibility and hurt his (Kerry's) own political chances, so Kerry tried to distance himself from Hubbard's flamboyance by emphasizing that the VVAW should try to change the system from within. Nicosia quotes Kerry recalling in interviews conducted in 1988 and 1989, "people were sort of doing that [working within the system], but not recognizing the value of it, in some respects, and talking this crazy kind of stuff, and I just had no room for that." My theory is that Kerry's attempt to distance himself from Hubbard is one factor underlying his and Oliver's distorted recollections of the Kansas City meeting. It also sounds to me like in the process of trying to distance himself from Hubbard, Kerry exaggerated the degree of his fallout with Hubbard in his later accounts. Nicosia notes that despite their conflict over Hubbard's fraud, Kerry liked Hubbard personally, argued against those who wanted to expel him from the VVAW, and defended him in public, even though he yelled at Hubbard privately at VVAW inner-circle meetings. It's clear to me from the FBI documents that regional factions of the VVAW opposed to the national office (where Hubbard and Kerry were) viewed Kerry and Hubbard as allies into 1972. Kerry seemed to want to continue his relatioship with Hubbard, just not to be associated with Hubbard's negative public image.


29 posted on 09/13/2004 12:01:45 AM PDT by Fedora
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SOMEBODY DO A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS AND GET IT OUT FAST!!!!!


34 posted on 09/26/2004 2:43:02 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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SOMEBODY DO A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS AND GET IT OUT FAST!!!!!


36 posted on 09/26/2004 2:46:20 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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