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Posted on 09/10/2004 7:35:59 AM PDT by stockpirate
Because the media is bought and paid for
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212100/posts
>>>>>Wonder if the modern day A.N.S.W.E.R. gang are the step-children of the VVAW???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=63#63
Many of the people who signed the various documents in “Mutiny Does Not Happen Lightly: The Literature of the American Resistance to the Vietnam War” appeared again as signers of the “Not In Our Name” ad that appeared in papers all over the country, denouncing Bush and the wars on terrorism and Iraq.
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Thanks for the ping!
Is this with regards to the testimony of Jan Sejna? What is the context of the documents which Kerry sought to destroy?
Thanks for the ping. Kerry and the antiwar movement in general were definitely in contact with the Communist Party as well as Communist-infiltrated Trotskyite groups like the Socialist Workers Party both here and abroad through numerous channels. One of the key ones was the World Peace Council (WPC), which served to link the Soviets and North Vietnamese to the international antiwar movement through international meetings like those VVAW representatives attended in Oslo and Paris. Another important link was the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) which had connections to the Winter Soldier Investigation through the Citizens Commission of Inquiry (CCI). Then of course there was VVAW's link to Jane Fonda--the list goes on and on. And prior to his association with the VVAW, Kerry had been linked to the Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC), which coordinated with Moscow and Hanoi through the New Mobe; and Robert Drinan, who had travelled to North Vietnam in 1969 before Kerry started working for him and had numerous other Communist connections.
Regarding the Kansas City meeting, I was reviewing Nicosia's account of that today, and what's really striking there is that his account of the Kansas City meeting is otherwise accurate, but for some reason he mistakenly describes Kerry's resignation from the executive committee as occurring at an earlier meeting in St. Louis in July 1971. Why did Nicosia happen to get that particular detail wrong? Curiously, the source he cites for this information is not Kerry himself, but interviews with Joe Urgo, Al Hubbard, and Mike Oliver, with Oliver appearing to be the main source. Citing Oliver, he attributes Kerry's resignation to a conflict between Kerry and Hubbard at that time stemming from a few months earlier at Dewey Canyon when Hubbard had embarrassed Kerry by being exposed as a fraud just when Kerry was about to testify to the Senate. After this, Nicosia cites Oliver recounting, Kerry became concerned that Hubbard's fraudulent tactics and revolutionary rhetoric might undermine the VVAW's credibility and hurt his (Kerry's) own political chances, so Kerry tried to distance himself from Hubbard's flamboyance by emphasizing that the VVAW should try to change the system from within. Nicosia quotes Kerry recalling in interviews conducted in 1988 and 1989, "people were sort of doing that [working within the system], but not recognizing the value of it, in some respects, and talking this crazy kind of stuff, and I just had no room for that." My theory is that Kerry's attempt to distance himself from Hubbard is one factor underlying his and Oliver's distorted recollections of the Kansas City meeting. It also sounds to me like in the process of trying to distance himself from Hubbard, Kerry exaggerated the degree of his fallout with Hubbard in his later accounts. Nicosia notes that despite their conflict over Hubbard's fraud, Kerry liked Hubbard personally, argued against those who wanted to expel him from the VVAW, and defended him in public, even though he yelled at Hubbard privately at VVAW inner-circle meetings. It's clear to me from the FBI documents that regional factions of the VVAW opposed to the national office (where Hubbard and Kerry were) viewed Kerry and Hubbard as allies into 1972. Kerry seemed to want to continue his relatioship with Hubbard, just not to be associated with Hubbard's negative public image.
"Ask yourself this: How and why did a young naval officer with only 600 people in his organization, VVAW, manage to obtain an audience with the North Vietnamese? Was it through surrogates like Ramsey Clark and others?
Fact is, Kerry is in Paris meeting with the North Vietnamese and negotiating for the release of POWs."
Here I'd suggest Kerry was following in the footsteps of other antiwar leaders who had been "negotiating" on POWs prior to the VVAW going over there--notably Joseph Elder of the Armed Friends Services Committee; David Dellinger; Cora Weiss; Noam Chomsky; and also, through such channels, Ted Kennedy had been given what the North Vietnamese claimed was a complete list of POWs in December 1970, and he received updated lists in summer 1972. I'd deduce it was through contact with these circles--via his contacts with the VMC, Drinan, and VVAW/CCI--that Kerry gained audience with the North Vietnamese and got involved in the POW "negotiations".
BTW. when Kerry was meeting with the NV in Paris he was on Uncle Sams payroll still, and recieving checks.
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I agree with you, this is a good one to BTTT.
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SOMEBODY DO A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS AND GET IT OUT FAST!!!!!
If you are yelling this to me I can't get it out, but I did post it>
SOMEBODY DO A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS AND GET IT OUT FAST!!!!!
To anyone who can. It would be a really interesting hot doc.
I sent it to several reporters with no results so far.
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I just sent it the the swiftboat vets for truth. They could do a real nice job.:>)
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