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Canada Weighs Using Muslim Law (excerpted)
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, September 8, 2004 | unknown

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:02:03 AM PDT by MarcoPolo

CHICAGO — In Muslim neighborhoods in Canada, some women fear the legal power handed to their religious leaders.

As long as the country's law is followed, religious leaders can play a role in Canada's legal system. But a controversy has erupted over whether Muslim law should be used.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: canada; canuckistan; islam; islamofascists; wot
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Coming to a country near you.
1 posted on 09/10/2004 7:02:03 AM PDT by MarcoPolo
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To: MarcoPolo

O goodbye Canada. It's going to be painful having an Islamofacist haven to the north.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:56 AM PDT by CanisRex (Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil. --Lazarus Long)
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To: MarcoPolo

Canada: The next theater in the War on Terror.

And boy, do they ever deserve it.

-Dan
3 posted on 09/10/2004 7:08:32 AM PDT by Flux Capacitor (Halliburton RULES.)
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To: MarcoPolo
Coming to a country near you.

From the article:

Two parties in a Canadian civil dispute, like a divorce, can opt to use a religious leader as a mediator, and the mediator's decision is binding. Canadian native tribes, Christians and Jews use this system.

This is already the case here in the US, and has been for some decades. If two private parties want to have a Rabbi settle their dispute under Judaic law, they are free to do so.

Of course, any such decision cannot go against American law or public policy.

This is much ado about nothing.

4 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:33 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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Ah, but will Canada be as firm on making sure the decisions don't violate their laws?
5 posted on 09/10/2004 7:13:31 AM PDT by MarcoPolo
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To: Modernman

Following religious law would be fine if, under Sharia, women had any rights and weren't coerced into engaging in "mediation" with an imam. Sharia law is extremely brutal as well, and I'd be surprised if its use matched up entirely with Western law.


6 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:53 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: MarcoPolo
Ah, but will Canada be as firm on making sure the decisions don't violate their laws?

Good question. In England, for example, the authorities have been hesitant to prosecute Muslim doctors who perform genital mutilation (AKA female circumcision). It's their culture and all that PC crap.

AFAIK, the Canadian legal system hasn't been overtaken by PCism to the same extent.

7 posted on 09/10/2004 7:20:59 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Following religious law would be fine if, under Sharia, women had any rights and weren't coerced into engaging in "mediation" with an imam.

Certainly. That is the biggest concern. I'm not worried about two Muslim businessmen deciding to have their contract dispute judged by an Imam under Sharia law. There is a legitimate concern that brainwashed Muslim women are going to be treated unfairly and that they won't know enough to be able to appeal a decision to a Canadian court.

8 posted on 09/10/2004 7:24:12 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: Modernman
These issues in Canada maybe a hint as to why there's been so much work to beef up the "world's longest undefended border" instead of the one to the south.

See link: Military helicopters to patrol U.S.-Canadian border - 082104

9 posted on 09/10/2004 7:30:13 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: MarcoPolo
"Canadian native tribes, Christians and Jews use this system."
Huh??
Murder, armed robbery, etc are handled by the individual ethnic & religious communities. I don't think so. Dearborn, Michigan anyone.
It's already here
10 posted on 09/10/2004 7:30:20 AM PDT by dormouse (From along the shores of Puget Unsound)
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To: CanisRex
O goodbye Canada. It's going to be painful having an Islamofacist haven to the north.

they will have a blast with the gays

11 posted on 09/10/2004 7:31:12 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Modernman

The comparisons are not quite correct. Shari'a is law divined by god and thus supercede cannon law according to muslims. As well, shari'a has not been ammended to reflect changes in society since its inception given that muslims believe the law ordained by god thus cannot be amended. Wheres judaic law although inspired by Talmudic tachings has shown a sense of pragmatism and resilience over millenias has inspired western legal tradition and political thought. (For the better i may add!)
Can you provide an example of a society or country that has successfully implemented shari'a law without coming to conflict with for example the universal declaration of human rights?

I don't think so!!

Our government and bureaucracy in Canada undertake a huge effort to bottle up Christianity in this country to the point of ridiculing its adherents yet all we know about our legal system and traditions even our democratic system is inspired from Judaic and christian jurisprudence and teachings spanning centuries. To introduce shari'a law without putting it in context regarding history, culture and it's impact on our judeo-christian traditions is unbelievable naive and inherently dangerous.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 7:37:46 AM PDT by bubman
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To: dormouse
Murder, armed robbery, etc are handled by the individual ethnic & religious communities. I don't think so. Dearborn, Michigan anyone

No. This only applies to civil disputes between private parties. Two Muslim businessmen can have an Imam serve as the arbitrator in a contract dispute, for example.

This does not apply to Criminal law or any dispute where the government is involved. It is also purely voluntary.

13 posted on 09/10/2004 7:39:07 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: bubman
The comparisons are not quite correct.

I agree that I would much rather have a Rabbi than an Imam be an arbitrator in a dispute (I think the Rabbi would be much more likely to be impartial in a case involving a Jew and Gentile than an Imam would in a case involving a Muslim and an infidel).

The point I'm trying to make is that, in the US, private parties are free to have their dispute judged under Muslim, Judaic or Klingon law. This is not a problem as the parties can appeal any decisions that conflict with American law or public policy.

If the Canadian legal system works in the same way, there should be no problems.

14 posted on 09/10/2004 7:46:07 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: CanisRex

It has become Al Qanada.


15 posted on 09/10/2004 7:47:26 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: MarcoPolo

Since I'm originally from Canada, I keep in touch with friends and family there. I'm shocked at how people actually support this law. The feeling is that denying Muslims use of this legal system is discrimination since CHristians and Jews can use their leaders to settle disputes. This is the position of the Attorney General, too. Fairness means any religious system can be used if the parties involved agree to it, even if it goes against the Canadian constitution. Canada is multicultural and prohibition against one culture while accepting others is inherently wrong. Those people are suicideal!!!!!!!


16 posted on 09/10/2004 7:48:02 AM PDT by doc30
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To: MarcoPolo
In the 1970s, during the height of the Anglophobe craze among French Canadians, the western provinces had a small movement to secede from Canada and join the US. Once the Moslem terrorism starts (and it will; give 'em enough rope, and they'll hang YOU) Canada will come apart.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

17 posted on 09/10/2004 8:06:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: MarcoPolo

This was forecast by Savage weeks ago!


18 posted on 09/10/2004 8:21:47 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: CanisRex
O goodbye Canada. It's going to be painful having an Islamofacist haven to the north.

Canadastan?
19 posted on 09/10/2004 9:26:12 AM PDT by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: MarcoPolo

There was actually a man in Canada (British descended) who, when giving an oath in court, was presented with a Koran. he said "No, give me a bible." Amen to him and all the Canadian patriots fighting against mass immigration.


20 posted on 09/10/2004 9:29:44 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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