Bush Guard Memos Questioned (The story on CBS' website)

www.cbsnews.com ^ | Sept. 10, 2004

[Tribune7]

CBS/AP) Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos that say President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush was shirking his duties.

The memos, which were obtained by CBS News' 60 Minutes, say Mr. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Guard pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam.

The network defended the autheniticity of the memos, saying its experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos.

[Sloth]

[tang-soo]

DAN CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH

Maybe Danny Boy needs another vacation. like the unexpected vacation he took in 2000. Remember this from August 17, 2000 during the DNC convention ...?

"Timing is everything. Al Gore must stand and deliver here tonight as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, and now Gore must do so against the backdrop of a potentially damaging, carefully orchestrated story leak about President Clinton. The story is that Republican-backed special prosecutor Robert Ray, Kenneth Starr’s successor, has a new grand jury looking into possible criminal charges against the President growing out of Mr. Clinton’s sex life."

"You don’t have to be a cynic to note that this has all the earmarks of a carefully orchestrated, politically motivated leak,"

In fact, the story about the Clinton grand jury probe was accidentally leaked to an Associated Press reporter by a federal judge appointed by Democratic President Jimmy Carter. But Rather’s ignorance of the facts did not restrain his later prime time speculation about the "Republican-backed" prosecutor.

These quotea are from Media Research Center and can be found here.

What the mrc article does not point out is that when the truth became public, Mr. Rather took an extended vacation and never apologized or even acknowledged the "mistake".

What's the frequency Kenneth?

[pabianice]

Don't Killian's survivors now have grounds to sue CBS for slander and misrepresentation? Any lawyers out there?

[leftcoaster]

So, the question still remains WHO did CBS obtain them from? Some speculation is that they may have come from none other than the DNC. And, if that is even remotely true (and I mean, even a staffer at the DNC), then Kerry has been duped by Clinton, McAwful, and the Insane Dem Posse.

ABC is the most aggressive MSM outlet exposing the CBS's fraud last night (Nightline) and this morning. ABC has been running audio of Killian's widow denying that her late husband could type and that it would have been totally out of character for him to have prepared and filed these kind of documents.

My hunch is that these documents were also shopped to ABC (Stephenopolis, maybe?) by Kerry's boys earlier, and ABC took a pass because they didn't appear authentic enough. Thus when RAthER ran with them, ABC already had a good portion of the research into the false nature of the documents on the shelf and could quickly put it out.

If this is true, then ABC also knows the origin of the documents, and can scoop that part of the story if CBS doesn't come clean.

[NCLaw441]

Maybe OJ will help find the culprits.

[gobucks]

Ohhhhhhh baby what a POST!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO ZULU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FreedomPoster]

>>>No typewriter in 1973 did superscripts like that.

And Word autocorrects a typed "187th" to "187^th " (superscripted and small). Or at least mine does (Word XP). I'm sure this has been noted elsewhere.

[mattdono]

If this is true, then ABC also knows the origin of the documents, and can scoop that part of the story if CBS doesn't come clean.

One flaw. If the origination of the documents is the Kerry bunch or the DNC, ABC will NOT scoop the story. It will do too much damage to the demoSCUMs and they won't be party to anything that would hurt Kerry, or more especially help Bush.

So, it is going to have to be public pressure.

Now, if ABC were smart, they would try take back some of the ground that Fox News Channel has rightly taken from them. If they were to be THE alphabet network that broke this story and in the process crushed John Kerry as a viable candidate, they could at least say that they reported the facts and weren't the tools of the left, that we have come to know them as.

They won't do that, but they could if you thesis is correct.

[gobucks]

To add to your 'hole' comment, here's additional evidence of how desperate See.B.S is:

"Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, also believes the documents are genuine.

"They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don't see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."

So, they are resorting to the credibility of a PROFESSOR!! I betchya Prof Strong is a prof at the Columbia School of Journalism...

[mattdono]

From one CBS article I got the feeling that the "expert" who vetted the docs was a "friend" of the late Col Killian, probably also a Kerry supporter

Your thesis is more right than you know. I read that they contacted another commander in the TANG at the time Killian was there. This officer verified Killian's "feelings" about 1^st Lt. Bush.

Note: the superscript used in this passage is a completely legitimate HTML code and can be produced by using the tag  No IBM typewriter was used to produce this superscript.

The officer, whose name escapes me right now, is....drumroll...a Howard Dean supporter!

[Area51]

Someone stick a fork in ole Danny boy, he done fried himself gooooooooooood this time.



Rot in Hell Dan.

[Semi Civil Servant]

ARe the DUmmies, more or less, conceding that these are probably fake and working on new "Karl Rove did this" spin?

I took a brief swim in the cesspool today (it's hard not to look at an accident). They're pretty much pinning their delusions on the IBM selectric. Secondary spin of the slightly less unhinged is the "Rove Did It" theory.

[narby]

10 to 1 odds the guy below is the perp who forged the documents. I'll bet he gave them to the DNC, which shopped them to CBS, who then asked for some verification and was refered back to this guy. Otherwise, how did CBS find a "friend and colleague" who ran the TANG admin office?

Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, also believes the documents are genuine. "They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don't see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."

[gobucks]

Who is Robert Strong? The fellow that is a college professor that is able to add credibility to the CBS CYA effort underway? Why, he is a POET, according to Google. No hits for 'Dr. Robert Strong' btw...

"Major(s): English



Portfolio: http://portfolio.du.edu/rstrong

Robert Strong is a poet studying and teaching at the University of Denver. His current scholarly interests are concerned with early American spiritual rhetoric and how it influences popular culture today."

[Semi Civil Servant]

I earlier thought the forgeries were the handiwork of low level DNC minions. I'm starting to think this was ordered by the highest levels of the DNC or Kerry Campaign. Bad for Kerry in either case.

[gobucks]

"Otherwise, how did CBS find a "friend and colleague" {Robert Strong} who ran the TANG admin office?"

Bingo. How, indeed, did they find this now college professor? Did he call See.B.S helpfully last night to bail them out of this unbelievable mess they are in right now??

Maybe the Robert Strong in question is Not a Poet at DU. But would the irony be something else??

[Arrowhead1952]

To add to your 'hole' comment, here's additional evidence of how desperate See.B.S is:

Guess they had better check some other facts too. This will make them have even more egg on their face.

General Staudt was retired!

Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job. But wait! Reader Amar Sarwal points out that General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.

[gobucks]

That CYA memo really does take the cake, no doubt. How many USA military officers keep CYA private files like this? How many would care so much to do so about someone so young and, relatively, unknown, back then?

[Sender]

Aha! Found it on CBS News site:

Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Col. Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, believes these documents are genuine.

"They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don’t see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."

"He [Killian] was a straight-arrow guy," adds Strong. "He really was. I was very fond of him, liked him personally. Very professional man, a career pilot. He took his responsibilities very, very seriously."

[gobucks]

Hey, fyi, this Strong dude is a smelly fish. SeeB.S. may ultimately let this fellow dangle hard I predict.

I've printed out my own copies of the four memos. They will be off Kerry's, I'm mean, CBS's website by day's end. Kudos to you.

By the way, you have got to see the 'overprint' comparison of the memos earlier in this thread #39. It is unreal, and classic.