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Rounding up all illegals 'not realistic'
The Washington Times ^ | September 10, 2004 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 09/10/2004 5:00:30 AM PDT by MikeJ75

The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic" to think that law-enforcement authorities can arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States and does not think the American public has the "will ... to uproot" those aliens.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: Porterville

First of all, not all HISPANICS are illegal. Including my wife. It is easy enough to round them up. Just make it harder for them to stay.


81 posted on 09/10/2004 11:47:32 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: All
"Not realistic?" Depends. Some things such as Mexico's support for action against Saddam was important enough to some in the Bush Administration to suggest otherwise.

"One American diplomat has given warning that a Mexican No could 'stir up feelings' against Mexicans in the United States. He draws comparisons with the Japanese-Americans who were interned after 1941, and wonders whether Mexico 'wants to stir the fires of jingoism during a war'."

http://www.economist.com/cities/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1608395

Or see Aztlan's version "U.S. Diplomat Who Threaten Internment of Mexican-Americans Identified," by Hector Carreon, La Voz de Aztlan at

http://aztlan.net/threatbyzionist.htm

82 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:44 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: junta
Mexico's problems are our problems and their culture is becoming our culture and their culture is a great failure of epic proportions.

The prime example is what is happening in California.

The politicians think that if they keep telling us that we don't want illegal aliens deported, somehow we'll believe it. They are so out of touch with America, it's scary!

83 posted on 09/10/2004 12:01:53 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: Penny

Does anyone have Asa Hutchinson's email address? It was posted on this site somewhere.


84 posted on 09/10/2004 12:11:48 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: Oatka

"If a window is broken and left unrepaired, people walking by will conclude that no one cares and no one is in charge. Soon, more windows will be broken, and the sense of anarchy will spread from the building to the street on which it faces, sending a signal that anything goes.”

Wasn't it Guilliani in New York who started pushing for the police to enforce "petty crime" laws that they used to think were too unimportant to bother dealing with, and the end result was a drop in more serious crime?

People don't start out murdering and robbing. They start with petty crimes, and if those aren't punished, they will continue to test the limits. (Kids do this too; it's why "permissive parents" usually end up having to go to court or pick their kid up at the police station).


85 posted on 09/10/2004 12:21:46 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: janetgreen

At ABP's website they are saying that there is actually an American candidate running for mayor, do you know anything about this Moore guy?


86 posted on 09/10/2004 12:22:24 PM PDT by junta
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To: MikeJ75
The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic" to think that law-enforcement authorities can arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States and does not think the American public has the "will ... to uproot" those aliens.

Oh, I do. So do most real Americans in border states. And so would the rest of the country if they were made aware of the magnitude of this insanity.

87 posted on 09/10/2004 12:25:27 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: junta
do you know anything about this Moore guy?

The only thing I've heard about him is that he is against illegal immigration. Apparently he disagreed with now-mayor Jim Hahn who declared Los Angeles "a Mexican city". I'll see what I can find out about him..

88 posted on 09/10/2004 12:32:34 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: junta
Here's his website:

http://www.mayor4u.com/

I'm going to read it now.

89 posted on 09/10/2004 12:37:29 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: Squantos; B4Ranch; TheLion; janetgreen
"Mr. Hutchinson also confirmed that a newly trained 12-member Border Patrol team based in Temecula, Calif., known as the Mobile Patrol Group, had been reassigned to enforce areas around highway checkpoints near the U.S.-Mexico border."

Everyone needs to calm down!!

As you can see, Mr. Hutchinson has everything under control.
There is no way an illegal is going to slip by a twelve man Border Patrol unit on the US-Mexico border!
This is an overkill, Mr. Hutchinson, but you da man!!

90 posted on 09/10/2004 1:28:41 PM PDT by TexasCowboy
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To: TexasCowboy; sweetliberty

One of the best solutions, as sweetliberty and others have pointed out on this thread, is to take away their reasons for coming.


91 posted on 09/10/2004 1:36:43 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: brianl703
Wasn't it Guilliani in New York who started pushing for the police to enforce "petty crime" laws that they used to think were too unimportant to bother dealing with, and the end result was a drop in more serious crime?

Yes it was. I think he either read of or talked with the guy who proposed that theory. Once they started enforcing the "small" laws, it started rolling up. It seems that the same guys who were urinating in public, jumping subway turnstiles, etc. were the same ones who were committing the bigger crimes.

Same with the "squeegee men" who were harrassing motorists. They pulled eyeteeth with the police to speed up issuing warrants for these guys. The police reported that when they saw the cops coming, warrant in hand , they split and didn't return. One of the earlier excuses was that since there were so many of them, they couldn't be stopped. It turns out there were only about 150 or so, ALL with outstanding warrants.

92 posted on 09/10/2004 1:37:32 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: MikeJ75
The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic" to think that law-enforcement authorities can arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States

It doesn't have to be done in a day, genius.

and does not think the American public has the "will ... to uproot" those aliens.

Wanna bet???

93 posted on 09/10/2004 1:46:43 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: janetgreen

mayor4u.com

He's declared "war... on illegal aliens..."

Bad, stupid move. Do I need to diagram how any press attention he gets is going to look?

Let's try this instead: "war... on illegal immigration..." Of course, that won't stop the LAT from twisting that into an anti-immigrant stance, but at least he can loudly clarify what he means.

That said, he doesn't stand a chance in any case. The best that can be hoped for is Mayor Hahn. Every other probable winner is even worse.


94 posted on 09/10/2004 1:51:21 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: MikeJ75
The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic" to think that law-enforcement authorities can arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States

Here's a thought Mr. Border ba-Czar;

BUILD A FENCE and keep MORE from coming in.

Then worry about getting rid of the ones already here!

95 posted on 09/10/2004 1:52:47 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity')
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To: TheLion
"One of the best solutions, as sweetliberty and others have pointed out on this thread, is to take away their reasons for coming."

I agree 100%.

The problem is that this same reason is used by the politicians, GW included, for allowing them to come - jobs.

Some facts need to be faced:

Freshly arrived Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, work hard.
They don't mind twelve hour days, or working on Saturday and Sunday.
They don't mind working straight through the morning and afternoon without a break and taking thirty minutes off for lunch.
They don't mind the heat and the cold or the fact that what they are doing might not meet union or OSHA labor specs.
They show up for work everyday, and they don't care what they're doing as long as they're drawing a paycheck.

They are an employer's dream.
He doesn't have to coddle them like a bunch of kids or design his business to the whims of his workforce.

As the American work ethic dwindles to nothing, there will always be immigrants ready to work like Americans worked fifty years ago, and there will always be employers who put the pressure on government to allow them in.

Of course, after the immigrants become familiar with the system they know they don't have to work like that.
They become Americanized and draw welfare.

96 posted on 09/10/2004 2:00:11 PM PDT by TexasCowboy
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To: MamaTexan

Tv program

"AMERICA'S MOST UNWANTED"

featuring

1) weekly tally of illegals arrrested and deported should
be broadcast nationwide

2) pictures and names of employers hiring illegals and fines
imposed

3) webcams/ir every 1000 feet along the border for internet
monitoring

4) US Govt should pay $100 per each citizen arrest of
illegals./


97 posted on 09/10/2004 2:03:53 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (bounty hunters)
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To: MikeJ75
The nation's border czar yesterday

Border Czar??? Why do we need a border Czar if he's not going to protect the borders and keep the illegals out??? Could it be he's really the head dog to keep the borders open for George's campaign contributors???

98 posted on 09/10/2004 2:07:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: MikeJ75
Rounding up all illegals 'not realistic'

Ok...so how about you start with ONE!!!

99 posted on 09/10/2004 2:10:49 PM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: t_skoz
Asa Hutchinson . . . what a guy. The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic".... to arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States

Force them to self deport.

"does not think the American public has the "will ... to uproot" those aliens.

The hell we don't... take a look.

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ILLEGAL ALIEN MENACE
THE ILLEGAL ALIEN THREAT TO AMERICA

Results


Do you believe the Illegal Alien invasion currently taking place in America is a bigger threat to the safety,security and standard of living for the average American than terrorism?

all of the above (32%)

yes (19%)

yes-not only do we have terrorists joining in on the ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION,but also drug smugglers, (19%)

yes-all of the politicians and 'cheap labor' businessmen responsible should be hung for treason (16%)

no Im a mindless idiot who thinks the ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION is a good thing (12%)
56 total votes

------------------------------------------------------

Homeland Security Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson also said taxpayers "might be afraid"

After enduring the terror tactics of the IRS for generations Americans are "afraid" of deporting a bunch of criminals???

"It's not realistic ....," Mr. Hutchinson said

Funny, that seems to be what most Americans think of your future.

....."We don't set goals like that. Our goal is to enforce the law as we see violations of the law.

Asa needs to get his eyes and brain checked... if he does not see the violations of the illegals he is Unfit to Lead.

"But I don't think America has the will,"

See above poll

"I think they have too much compassion

See above poll

Mr. Hutchinson, who leads the nation's border and transportation security agencies, said although securing the nation's borders against terrorists, illegal aliens, smugglers and others who pose a threat is his top priority, the department is attempting to do so by laying "a foundation" for a strategy that can be "reasonably considered."

Ah yes. sounds just like the BS he spouted when asked one (1) question on the K & J radio show.... and spouted pee-cee krap for 30 solid minutes. Never answered the question, by the way.

He said there is widespread disagreement within the country on what to do

"I don't know that we've arrived at a consensus

Mr. Hutchinson, who said he did not know how many illegal aliens entered the country annually,

"It doesn't mean we build an Israel-type of fence.

Perhaps a fence like the one between between Iraq and Kuwait? How about like the one that is part of India's project to seal its entire 1,800-mile border with Pakistan? Like that one? Perhaps like the one India has finished, a barbed-wire fence along it's border with Bangladesh that prevents the infiltration of rebels and illegal immigrants? How about the one Saudi Arabia has been building aimed at stemming cross-border smuggling of weapons from its neighbor Yemen. Or would the one created along the 38th Parallel in 1953 when South Korea and North Korea decided a fence is a hell of a lot better idea than a war? And if it appears that it is a phenomena limited to free nations with a bordering communist nation, check out the Fence and Pits Built along Chinese border with North Korea, a two-meter high wooden fence along 393 kilometers of its border with China. Would THAT one be suitable?????

I don't think we're going to do that. I don't think you want to have a strategy of a Border Patrol agent every 50 yards," he said. "There's a lot of compassion out there. You don't send out a paddy wagon to round them up."

Of course not. You send the green buses.

Most Americans adamantly oppose increasing the amount of legal immigration to the United States and legalizing those immigrants here illegally. On no other foreign-policy issue do average Americans disagree more with government and business leaders and other "elites" than on immigration.

Elites? . . . . ELITES ?? Well well well, a bit of truth seeps through the various cracks in Asa's mealymouthed puke fest. The "elites" versus the average Americans. It seems that the "Elites" need to be reminded of that "old, tired" axiom "of the people, by the people and for the people." Perhaps "by the consent of the governed" as well.

But Mr. Hutchinson, a former Republican congressman from Arkansas, said although there is "strong support" nationwide for the enforcement of immigration laws and the public expects it to be accomplished, "they expect us to do it in a way consistent with our values."

I would expect Mr. Hutchinson to just do it and concern himself with how much he values that paycheck.

"Immigration has provided vitality to the growth of the country,"

Perhaps, perhaps not. Invasion has never provided a damn thing to the growth of this nation.

We have to be able to assimilate or integrate immigrants into our society where they can become Americans.

No we don't. Show me the law that forces an American to accommodate a criminal invader. these people have NO INTENTION of assimilating into American culture. they want to eliminate and kill American culture. Check out the following quotes.

Jose Angel Gutierrez, a Dallas lawyer and author, said it best as Friday's luncheon speaker: “We are the future of America. Unlike any prior generation, we now have a critical mass. We're going to Latinize this country.”

That is the old boy being nice. Catch him hanging with his "homeys" and THIS is what you get....

Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington; founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity: "We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are s*i*t*i*g in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

Reference is MSE HTML source doc: URL http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/racism5.html

And since 1970, he has professed, "Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes."

What a guy, eh? Real assimilation material, huh?

"That is what America historically has done very well, and we don't want to lose that capacity," he said.

We as Americans have lost NO capabilities, Yes we have done very well and there have been many instances where COMMON SENSE prevailed and immigration was stopped.

Mr. Hutchinson said President Bush's proposal for a temporary guest-worker program, outlined in January, was an attempt by the administration to address immigration enforcement and to "bring 8 million aliens out of the shadow and give them legal status."

It was a trial balloon that did a wonderful Hindenburg impersonation and caused a 300% increase in criminally illegal border crossings.

The Bush plan, which has not been offered as legislation, would allow illegal aliens in the country to remain if they have jobs and apply as guest workers. The aliens could stay for an undetermined number of renewable three-year periods, after which they could seek permanent legal status.

Will not work. Has not worked in the past. Will not work in the future.

Congress has passed 7 amnesties for illegal aliens, starting in 1986.

1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty, 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America

5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti

6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
8. Nine current bills are vying to be Amnesty No. 8


The proposal has been met with criticism from law-enforcement authorities and has been challenged by both Republicans and Democrats. Some have called the plan an amnesty program that invites aliens in this country illegally to gain perpetual legal status. Others said it was unpractical and could become a scheme to identify illegal aliens and deport them.

Those that have called it a scheme to ID illegals are also ones that want to take over large portions of the U.s.

Last month, Mr. Hutchinson outlined a number of incentives to encourage aliens to support the plan, including provisions freeing them from arrest and deportation, giving them access to tax-deferred savings accounts and Social Security credits and allowing them unrestricted travel to and from their home countries.

Sure, makes sense. In the meantime, someone hand me that ball peen hammer, my nose itches. What is next makes even more "sense."

Yesterday, Mr. Hutchinson said the incentives were designed to encourage the aliens to return to their home countries eventually, although he said he doubted that the matter would be brought before Congress before the November presidential elections.

Right. Give them preferential tax exemptions, free Social Security payments, free health care, free education, etc, etc. That'll run `em off. Riiiiiiiight.

Mr. Hutchinson also confirmed that a newly trained 12-member Border Patrol team based in Temecula, Calif., known as the Mobile Patrol Group, had been reassigned to enforce areas around highway checkpoints near the U.S.-Mexico border.

Newly trained? Sounds to me like they did not have time to get any dirt on the members of the team in order to control them. As a result, the team promptly went out and did their job. They busted illegals. Lots of them. Boy did Asa and the rest of the good ol boys put a stop to THAT!

The team had been criticized by Democrats and immigrant rights advocates for racial profiling after it arrested 450 illegal aliens during a 19-day period in California's inland areas, all less than 100 miles from the border. At the time, Mr. Hutchinson told lawmakers that the team had failed to consider the "sensitivities" of those detained.

I suppose the team should have arrested white college graduates with three pending job offers instead? How dare they arrest mexican illegals just because they broke the actual laws those Border agents are sworn to uphold.

Yesterday, he said the responsibility for interior enforcement belonged not to the Border Patrol, a part of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, but to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), both agencies that he oversees.

Perhaps a bit of restructuring is in order, Mr Hutchinson.....

"Whenever you're in a war and whenever you've got troops on the ground, the troops have to act not in a way they think is a good idea, they have to work in a way that's in accordance with strategy," he said.

Exactly. And that strategy really should include (somewhere, anywhere) actually FIGHTING the war. This means, no matter how it "fails to consider the "sensitivities" of those" illegals to which we are prosecuting that "war."

ICE officials have acknowledged that they have neither the manpower nor the resources to carry out an extensive interior-enforcement program. It has committed the 2,300 agents it has to hunt down illegal aliens to finding 80,000 criminal aliens and 320,000 "absconders," those who fled after being ordered deported.

" those who fled after being ordered deported." Very key phrase here. If they are hauling butt just from being ordered deported, just picture what they will do if they are cut off from illegal jobs, illegal government welfare and benefits??

Asa Hutchinson, punk, shill, traitor. We will hear more from this guy...

100 posted on 09/10/2004 2:43:56 PM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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