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CBS News denies Bush docs forged (CBS in credibility meltdown)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, September 10, 2004 | Art Moore

Posted on 09/10/2004 12:37:38 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Thursday, September 9, 2004



ELECTION 2004
CBS News denies
Bush docs forged

Experts suspect damning '70s memos created with modern word processor

Posted: September 9, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Art Moore


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Amid questions raised on Internet weblogs about the authenticity of National Guard documents potentially damaging to President Bush, CBS News told WorldNetDaily it stands by its claims.


George W. Bush during his Texas Air National Guard service

Spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said she was aware of the charge that the documents, purportedly produced in 1972 and 1973, appear to have been forged with a modern word processor.

"As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the documents broadcast on '60 Minutes' was thoroughly investigated by independent experts, and we are convinced of their authenticity," she said.

Edwards refused to answer further questions, referring back to her statement as the final word.

Later, however, she sent an e-mail to WND, adding, "CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written."

Killian, who died in 1984, was Bush's squadron commander in the Texas Air Nation Guard. Among the assertions "60 Minutes II" derived from the documents – four memos Killian wrote to himself – were that the commander was pressed to embellish a performance evaluation for Bush and that Bush did not follow an order to report for a physical.

CBS News has a copy of a memo here in pdf format, dated Aug. 18, 1973.

A CBS News online story, based on the "60 Minutes II" report, stated the show "consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic."

Anchor Dan Rather said in the report "60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file."

But, according to the Drudge Report, CBS News executives have launched an internal investigation into the authenticity of the records.

The anonymous "top source" at CBS described Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingy likelihood that the documents were fraudulent.

A White House spokesman did not immediately return a call from WND seeking comment.

Memos 'a farce'

Meanwhile, Killian's widow and son also have questioned the memos' authenticity.

Marjorie Connell told the Washington Post she was "livid" at CBS and described the records as "a farce."

Connell said her husband did not keep files and considered Bush "an excellent pilot."

"I don't think there were any documents," she said. "He was not a paper person."

A CBS reporter contacted her briefly before Wednesday night's broadcasts, she said, but did not ask her to authenticate the records, according to the Post.

Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, said a memo signed by his father appeared legitimate but he doubted his father wrote another that referred to the performance review.

"I am upset because I think it is a mixture of truth and fiction here," Killian told the AP.

The wire service said another officer who served with Killian and a document expert also said the documents appear to be forgeries.

Internet origins

The White House distributed copies of the memos, apparently dampening speculation they are fraudulent. But the copies are from faxes sent by CBS News yesterday.

Major news outlets such as ABC News and the Washington Post now are advancing the story, but it came to life through the scrutiny of weblogs such as Powerline and Little Green Footballs.

National Review's "Kerry Spot" weblog cited Bruce Webster, an expert witness in U.S. District Court cases on computer document forensics, who said the memo posted online by CBS News "has all sorts of problems" and points out the "typefaces weren't available on typewriters in 1973."

A Powerline reader said the document appears to use the superscript 'th,' but there "are no keys on any typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th." The forger got careless after creating the August 1, 1972 document and slipped up big-time."

A number of Web contributors said they could create an exact representation of the document using Microsoft Word.

The author of Little Green Footballs wrote: "I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft's Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date '18 August 1973,' then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian. And my Microsoft Word version, typed in 2004, is an exact match for the documents trumpeted by CBS News as 'authentic.'"

Others pointed out the memo did not have letterhead and the paper size should be 8x10.5 rather than 8.5x11.

According to the weblog INDC Journal, Dr. Philip Bouffard, touted as one of the top two experts in forensic document examination of typefaces in the country, said he cannot make a 100-percent-positive evaluation because the documents appear to have been copied several times.

But he stated, "It's just possible that this might be a Times Roman font, which means that it would have been created on a computer. It's very possible that someone decided to create this document on a computer ... . I've run across this situation before ... my gut is this could just well be a fabrication."

Bouffard noted the document has "proportional spacing," which was on only seven or eight models not widely available in 1972-73.

He also pointed out the number 4 does not have a "foot" and has a "closed top," which is indicative of Times New Roman, a font exclusive to modern computer word processing programs.

Bouffard told INDC Journal that after further analysis, he's fairly certain the Aug. 18, 1973, document is a fake.

He noted, examining his old papers, the inconsistency of the "4" coming up several previous times with forgeries that attempt to duplicate old proportional spaced documents with a computer word processor.

He said he didn't know who CBS contacted to verify the document's authenticity, but is aware of only one person aside from himself who might be more qualified to determine authentic typefaces.

'Previously unseen'

"60 Minutes II" reported last night it had "previously unseen documents" from Killian's personal office file.

In a memo dated May 1972, Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

The docment says Lt. Bush told his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama ... and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

One of the Killian memos is an official order to Bush to report for a physical, which never was carried out.

CBS says, in an Aug. 1, 1972, memo Killian wrote, "On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination ... as ordered."

A memo from Aug. 18, 1973, according to CBS, has Killian saying Col. Buck Staudt, head of the Texas Air National Guard, is putting on pressure to "sugar coat" the evaluation of Lt. Bush.

The memo continues, with Killian saying, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job."

CBS News said Staudt, a Bush family supporter, would not agree to an interview request.

Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett responded to CBS's request for comment about Killian's statements in the memos.

"For anybody to try to interpret or presume they know what somebody who is now dead was thinking in any of these memos, I think is very difficult to do," he said.

Bartlett added that Bush's superiors granted permission to train in Alabama in a non-flying status and that "many of the documents you have here affirm just that."

CBS News noted that earlier in his flying career, Bush received glowing evaluations from Killian, who called him an "exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "performed in an outstanding manner."

According to military documents released this week, Bush scored 88 on an airmanship test, 98 on aviation physiology and 100 on navigational abilities.




TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; cbsdeniesforgery; forgery; killian; rathergate; seebsnews
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Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

CBS News insists documents are authentic and all they contain is true beyond even a shadow of a doubt. After all, Kerry campaign was the source.

/sarcasm.

2 posted on 09/10/2004 12:38:33 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

denial is always the first step...


3 posted on 09/10/2004 12:40:09 AM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: JohnHuang2
Amid questions raised on Internet weblogs about the authenticity of National Guard documents

That's us, right? :-P

4 posted on 09/10/2004 12:40:21 AM PDT by PureSolace (I love freedom.)
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To: JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave
John Forges Kerry found the documents when he was sent to Cambodia Christmas Eve 1968 by President Nixon.

The memory is seared, seared in his buttocks.

5 posted on 09/10/2004 12:40:56 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PureSolace

;-)


6 posted on 09/10/2004 12:41:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: PhilDragoo

ROFLOLMAO!!!


7 posted on 09/10/2004 12:41:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
"CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written."

Oh, OK I guess that settles that.

8 posted on 09/10/2004 12:42:10 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2

They are taking the Democrats method-deny, deny, and deny.
Hopefully, the other news outlets will not CBS off the hook
I doubt that CBS will ever admit that these were forged.


9 posted on 09/10/2004 12:43:20 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: JohnHuang2

This is WND reporting on a statement made earlier in the day by CBS. CBS has since held a conference to discuss the veracity of the documents and the possible fallout. In short, this post does not give new information about the position of CBS.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 12:45:54 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: JohnHuang2
Read it and weep, CBS!

Typewriters cannot auto-center consecutive rows of text:


11 posted on 09/10/2004 12:46:07 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: FesterUSMC

They are in deep denial.
Their all night CBS news is playing up the story and trying to prove their story was correct. Looks like they are going to the mat on this story. Could be a big mistake by CBS.
Get your popcorn here!!!


12 posted on 09/10/2004 12:46:39 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It ain't over till TRex roars.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

This IS going to get really good!
The next questions for CBS are: where did they get the docs, who were the "eyewitnesses" they relied on who "saw these docs being written in 1972/73", and who were their authenticating "experts"?
More magic hats???


13 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:23 AM PDT by chunkycheese
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To: FesterUSMC; Boundless
denial is always the first step...

Got this from Boundless from an earlier post.

So what are the classic steps?

1. Discovering the truth.
2. Denial
3. Resistance
4. Negotiation
5. Acceptance
CBS is now between 2 and 3.

Expect them to play the "victim of hoax card". And to be laughed at for it, because the forgery is so grossly inept.
14 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:31 AM PDT by microgood
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To: Rome2000

Well, they weren't written, they were typed.

And its interesting that with all the detail in the memos, there are no cc's listed.


15 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:34 AM PDT by CalRepublican
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To: GOPcapitalist

Bump!


16 posted on 09/10/2004 12:48:19 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

CBS spokesperson Nathan Thurm replies to claims that recent documents used in broadcast are forgeries:

I knew that. Why do you think I don't know that. I didn't say they were forgeries. You said they were forgeries. Why would I say they are forgeries? I know they're not forgeries. Don't you think I know what a forgery looks like? You're a forgery. Who are you? Who do you work for? I know who you are. Why do you think I don't know who you are?

-PJ

17 posted on 09/10/2004 12:51:16 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: CalRepublican
And its interesting that with all the detail in the memos, there are no cc's listed.

He wrote these for his personal file. (That's what C BS says.) They weren't going to anyone else. There was no cc'ing in that case.
18 posted on 09/10/2004 12:53:06 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"I'm not being defensive. YOU'RE the one that's being defensive."


19 posted on 09/10/2004 12:53:57 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."--Putin / "A more sensitive war on terror." --Kerry)
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To: chunkycheese
The next questions for CBS are: where did they get the docs

Kerry Campaign.

20 posted on 09/10/2004 12:54:02 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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