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"Crude and amazingly foolish forgeries"
The Weekly Standard | 090904 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 09/09/2004 4:42:30 PM PDT by dep

DOCUMENTS CITED Wednesday by 60 Minutes in a widely-publicized expose of George W. Bush's National Guard Service are very likely forgeries, according to several experts on document authenticity and typography. The documents--four memos from Killian to himself or his files written in 1972 and 1973--appear to indicate that Bush refused or ignored orders to have a physical exam required to continue flying. CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported the segment and sourced the documents this way: "60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file," he said. The 60 Minutes story served as the basis for follow-up news reports for dozens of news organizations across the country. The memos were almost immediately questioned in the blog world, with blog Power Line leading the charge.

And according to several forensic document experts contacted by THE WEEKLY STANDARD say the Killian memos appear to be forgeries. Although it is nearly impossible to establish with certainty the authenticity of documents without a careful examination of the originals, several irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the victim of a hoax.

"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of computer-generated documents. Flynn looked at copies of the documents posted on the CBS News website (here, here, here, and here). Flynn says, "I would say it looks very likely that these documents could not

have existed" in the early 1970s, when they were allegedly written.

Several other experts agree. "They look mighty suspicious," says a veteran forensic document expert who asked not to be quoted by name. Richard Polt, a Xavier University philosophy professor who operates a website dedicated to typewriters, says that while he is not an expert on typesetting, the documents "look like typical word-processed documents."

There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s. (In proportional type, thin letters like "i" and "l" are spaced closer together than thick letters like "W" and "M". In monospace, all the letter widths are the same.)

Second, the font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman font that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word processing programs. According to Flynn, the font is not listed in the Haas Atlas--the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts.



Third, the apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by word processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks typical of typewriters. Finally, in some references to Bush's unit--the 111thFighter Interceptor Squadron--the "th" is a superscript in a smaller size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often done automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although several experts allow that such a rendering might have been theoretically possible in the early 1970s, it would have been highly unlikely. Superscripts produced on typewriters--the numbers preceding footnotes in term papers, for example--were almost always in the same size as the regular type.



So can we say with absolute certainty that the documents were forged? Not yet. Xavier University's Polt, in an email, offers two possible scenarios. "Either these are later transcriptions of earlier documents (which may have been handwritten or typed on a typewriter), or they are crude and amazingly foolish forgeries. I'm a Kerry supporter myself, but I won't let that cloud my objective judgment: I'm 99% sure that these documents were not produced in the early 1970s."



Says Flynn: "This looks pretty much like a hoax at this point in time."



CBS, in a statement Thursday afternoon, said it stands by the story. The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos were authentic. There are several things CBS could do to clear up any confusion:



(1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the documents for Sixty Minutes.



(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in the United States--for further analysis.



(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.



(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed with phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)



Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; ccrm; forgery; kerry; killian; stephenfhayes
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To: dep

CBS has very few options available.

They can stonewall. However, it is now up to CBS to PROVE the authenticity of the documents. There are just too many questions about these documents to enable CBS to get by with the generic "we stand by our story".

They can fess up and admit that they were fooled by these fakes. They must then identify their "source". I doubt the docs lead back to Kerry, but it wouldn't surprise me if they can be traced back to Terry McAwful.

They can admit someone at CBS forged the documents.

If this turns out as badly as it looks now, CBS is in deep trouble. This is serious business. As a side effect, Rather has probably given Bush another few points in the election.

Oh, sweet irony.


81 posted on 09/09/2004 5:22:11 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (If you like how Kerry mismanages his campaign, you'll love how he mismanages the war on terror.)
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To: falcon1966
If this is indeed a deliberate forgery with the intended victim being the President of the United States, would that not be an act of treason ??

I'd say yes. And with no offense to you intended I would add, so?

82 posted on 09/09/2004 5:22:20 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

I predict stonewall with a medium hang out.


83 posted on 09/09/2004 5:23:17 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: TexasCajun

Yes, follow the trail of sleaze and it likely will lead to the snakehead and the forehead.


84 posted on 09/09/2004 5:24:52 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: Howlin

TankerKC


85 posted on 09/09/2004 5:26:25 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: dep
CBS = CompleteBu!!Sh!+
86 posted on 09/09/2004 5:28:16 PM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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87 posted on 09/09/2004 5:29:23 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: fhayek
From the book "Stolen Valor":


88 posted on 09/09/2004 5:32:25 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Semi Civil Servant

CBS is in a lose lose situation. There best option is to neither admit guilt or push the issue. Simply come on one night and say there previous story with the documents have proven themselves to be suspicious and they until further notice retract it.


89 posted on 09/09/2004 5:32:53 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: dep
The last memo is dated August 18th, 1973. That was a Saturday.

I don't know if that is important, but I'm sure someone here does.

91 posted on 09/09/2004 5:34:45 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Motherbear
Considering the timing, you'd think it would be someone from "Texans for Truth." They don't seem particularly bright.

I have a feeling that CBS wanted to be first with this story and didn't do sufficient due dilligence. It certainly looked like a rush job.

The topic wasn't listed on my TiVo last night.
92 posted on 09/09/2004 5:38:46 PM PDT by True_wesT
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To: Texasforever

Yes, but I think they never had the original. We'll see.


93 posted on 09/09/2004 5:40:39 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: dep
They missed one of the most damning items. The centered header in the 4 May 1972 document. It's almost impossible to imagine the diffuculty it would take to exactly center a proportional text header like that.

The fact that you can take MS Word and type the documents verbatim in the default setting and they do auto line wraps, font spacing, plus the centering to EXACTLY match the "1972" document is just too impossible to consider.

94 posted on 09/09/2004 5:42:34 PM PDT by narby (CBS - The new Democrat 527)
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To: Howlin

This story definitely has legs...LOL!


95 posted on 09/09/2004 5:44:12 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Definitely check out this thread, if you haven't already! ;-D

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

96 posted on 09/09/2004 5:46:57 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: dep

It has been a good week for our side.

AP seriously wounds itself with the boos/lies and coverup of their rabid GW/Hetersexual hater, Tom Hays.

Now Constant Bull Ship or CBS does this.

Also, a conservative told me this afternoon that the Today show had 3 interviews with the drugged out pyscho liar Kitty Kelly. If that is true, the Today show and its network is as unreliable as AP, the Boston Globus Hystericus and CBS.


97 posted on 09/09/2004 5:55:24 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: All
I have held my fire until it looks like for sure these are forgeries. Folks, it is time to Freep the CBS Evening News, where Dan Rather's office is based....this gets you to the newsroom:

212-975-3691

Number found on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133594/posts

Ask just what "investigation" went into authenticating the memos and whether they will offer an on-air retraction.

Demand they apologize for this EXTREME lapse of journalistic practice and basic skills.

Also, contact the president of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:

Phone: (212) 975-4321

Fax: (212) 975-1893

98 posted on 09/09/2004 5:57:09 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: johnwayne
I'm very curious about who the actual person was that gave these documents to CBS. That's what I want to know. Anyone know?

No. But whoever it was, they better stay away from Fort Marcy Park!

99 posted on 09/09/2004 6:04:56 PM PDT by jonathonandjennifer
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To: fhayek
Refresh my memory about Harkin.

He's the sleeze who claimed to be a fighter pilot in Vietnam. He was called on it and changed to a "Vietnam era fighter pilot". He was then called on that, and backed off to a ferry pilot between Japan and Malaysia ( I'm not too sure as to the latter but it most definitely was not Vietnam!)

Another "stolen valor" wannabe, bravo sierra artist.

Regards,
GtG

100 posted on 09/09/2004 6:08:26 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world but I like it 'Cruz they know me here.)
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