Posted on 09/09/2004 3:47:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
(scroll down to the bottom of the article for the update section):
UPDATE: NEW PROOF OF FORGERY
Following the Little Green Footballs blog lead, CB decided to test the pantograph replication technique on another of the CBS documents to see if it held true. Using Microsoft Word on its factory default settings with 12 point Times New Roman font we copied the address line of CBS memo #1 and overlapped the two for comparison.
As you can see the test worked and, in doing so, inadvertantly uncovered more proof that the document is a forgery. The new evidence revolves around the fact that Microsoft Word auto-formats its text using the centering function. When the text alignment for “center” is selected each subsequent line will be precisely centered underneath the previous one with each word of the text readjusting to meet this alignment as new letters are entered into the line. Since typewriters mechanically stamp letters onto a sheet of paper one at a time, it is physically impossible to create a mechanical typewriter document that perfectly aligns two or more centered rows of text on top of each other. The address bar on CBS Memo #1 is perfectly centered and perfectly aligned, thus it had to have come from a computer word processor and not a typewriter. The replication experiment in Microsoft Word with an identical match further validates this origin.
before I bite, Jim McGeevey isn't leaving. Why would Dan Rather-not?
I don't have a problem waiting a day or two for all the professional document examiners to weigh in.
Am on the phone with a man who teaches printing for a living. He says the IBM Composer did not kern. The Varitype machine did kern. Linotype did kern but nobody would use a Linotype for this.
So unless Killian was a professional typesetter using a Varitype, I just don't know.
I posted this on another thread.
http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/articles/times.htm
This version of TNR did not exist in 1972. It's usually a default font in MSWord.
I've speced type for 20 years, and nothing annoyed me more than documents processed in TrueType TNR when they were supposed to be in Times.
So, last night I glanced at the first document. Saw the kerning, the font and the letter spacing and laughed out loud.
In a hoax, the victim is taken advantage of. In this case, the so called 'journalists' should have easily detected the bad forgery, but did not.
It was not a hoax it was a fraud. They intended to dredge up the ANG story, 'prove' it conclusively, hammer it for a few days into the public consciousness, then after the forgery was discovered issue a one sentence 'correction' after the damage was done. They just didn't expect the forgery to be discovered so quickly. That is why the story is still on CNN and this evenings CBS news...they are still trying to impress it into the public consciousness, even though their fraud has already come crashing down.
:>)
Well, this time the screw ain't turnin' their way. Never again. Never forget. These bastards are a bunch of commie lovin' useful idiots from the day they were born. What they did to turn America against the Viet Nam vets and now our President will never be allowed to happen again.
It's a new age in the press and the old hairy hippie fogies of the 60's may be thinkin' they are havin' a revival, but all they are havin' is their last pathetic collapse.
http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/596astgo.asp
They say that each and every one of these discrepancies in its own right makes the thing improbable.
Now it's time for the statisticians to weigh in and consider them all jointly, and what we know of the law of probability tells us it simply didn't happen. The thing was forged from a word processor.
"I have read the minds of all those who were involved...so I know what is really true. I have also personally witnessed a seance where those who are no longer alive have come back to report the truth about Bush."
How dare you question me and 60 Minutes!
Men in white jackets were seen entering Rather's lavish dressing room at CBS as we completed our interview. Minutes later, Rather was removed from the room clinging to a 1972 IBM Selectric typewriter, screaming..."from my cold, dead hands you will!"
When is the line crossed into libel??? I swear, I wish Bush would sue CBS. He would win. No doubt because a case can be made that he knew they were false or at least should have known.
John
Yes- we did that when typing on older typewriters.
BUT--There is still a difference.
We were counting letters---regardless of the width of the letter: ie: w and i for instance. By counting only, we could NEVER get it perfectly "centered". Only "close"
This test shows the very minute adjustments the computer is able to make to center it very neatly, and the "overlap" shows how well it is centered.
I have an old Royal Typewriter, and I cannot get it to "center" something as nicely as this example.
Anyone who needs a sample from my typewriter- e-mail me privately and I will provide.
None.
Normally its somewhere around a determination of malicious intent, and that is obvious in this case. Not only should Bush sue, but the government should also pursue criminal charges against them for falsifying official military documents.
I am willing to bet $50 bucks right now that Blather-boy is going to announce his retirement for "health reasons" or some similar excuse within the next 48 hours.
Any takers?"""
How about this?
If Blather resigns within a week, we all send SOMETHING- as much as we can afford-- to Swifties fund for more ads?
That helps all of the nation, and the "winners" of your bet do a really good thing......
As I understand it, Times New Roman is indeed an older font but it was used only in typesetting for newspapers, books and other material printed in printing presses. Linotypes are typesetting macines.
However, until the advent of word processing computers, Times New Roman was never available as a typing font.
For example, the "Old English Text MT" font that is now available on Microsoft Word may have been an older font used in books from, say, one hundred years ago but that particular font may never have been offered to the typist at home or at the office prior to the advent of computer word processors.
As I understand it, Times New Roman was first available as a typing font for home and business use when it was included as a MacIntosh font in 1980.
As far as I am concerned, the superscript issue nails it.
I don't think the proportional-font issue, by itself, does.
My opinion is worth a half bag of warm spit, same as anyone else's.
If you think I was attacking you, I apologize, I did not mean to.
How could somebody be so stupid as to even attempt to pass something like this off?""
We don't call them "DIMS" for no reason. They have just earned another gold star for stupid.
See my comments in nbr 219.
Yeah -sure. This Lt Col is going to count spaces and "points" and add them up and divide divide by two and move the typewriter decimal places around JUST to center a title block?
When a pocket calculator WASN'T invented yet?
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