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CBS News denies Bush docs forged (then calls back to back off of earlier "expert" claim)
World Net Daily ^ | 9/9/04 | Art Moore

Posted on 09/09/2004 2:45:04 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

Amid questions raised on Internet weblogs about the authenticity of National Guard documents potentially damaging to President Bush, CBS News told WorldNetDaily it stands by its claims.

Spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said she was aware of the charge that the documents, purportedly produced in 1972 and 1973, appear to have been forged with a modern word processor.

"As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the documents broadcast on '60 Minutes' was thoroughly investigated by independent experts, and we are convinced of their authenticity," said Edwards.

Edwards refused to comment further, referring back to her statement as the final word.

Later, however, she sent an e-mail to WND, adding, "CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written."

A White House spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

CBS News has a copy of a memo here in pdf format.

Among the assertions "60 Minutes II" derived from the documents were that Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, Col. Killian, was pressed to embellish a performance evaluation and that Bush did not follow an order to report for a physical.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; danblather; denial; forgeries; killian; seebsnews
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To: hispanarepublicana

They so wanted this story to put Bush up against the wall, but now THEY'RE the ones on the defensive. God, I love the internet.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 2:51:14 PM PDT by Janan Ganesh (British passport, American soul)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Developing Brief Partial Summary of the Forgery Elements of the CBS/Rather Faked letter
Insightful Comments Made by FReepers
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1-- proportional spacing did not exist
2 -- superscripts did not exist
3 - "th" single element did not exist
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name. 7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - Times Roman font did not exist then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
22 posted on 09/09/2004 2:51:58 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.


Apparantly, CBS's claim that you quoted above is not true, according to their own spokesperson's last email to WND.

Were they lying then or are they lying now? It's still on their website somebody catch it before it disappears into Cambododia..who would have knowledge of the documents being written 30 years ago? time for them to spill their source...


23 posted on 09/09/2004 2:52:04 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Howlin

Read this! They didn't consult a handwriting or document expert at all!!!


24 posted on 09/09/2004 2:52:13 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: hispanarepublicana
Apparantly, CBS's claim that you quoted above is not true, according to their own spokesperson's last email to WND.

I've recovered the capacity to write more than one word. That contemporaneous mutual remembrance crap is mind boggling, arrogant stupidity.

25 posted on 09/09/2004 2:52:29 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: hispanarepublicana
It's gonna be fun to deconstruct these "documents".

The old media's credibility will take another hit.

26 posted on 09/09/2004 2:52:55 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: rolling_stone
source = SID BLUMENTHAL
27 posted on 09/09/2004 2:53:16 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: comebacknewt
The legal department at CBS is definitely working overtime tonight. The more I read, the more convinced I am that CBS is in BIG trouble here.

Forging military documents is a felony. That's a good one for starters. And "protecting sources" will only prolong the legal agony.

Rather could well be finished. They'll call it retirement, but everybody will know what really happened.

If FCC administrative regulations have been violated, the network's owned-and-operated TV stations could be stripped of their licenses, although the process would take years.

This could be really unpleasant for Viacom both legally and financially.

28 posted on 09/09/2004 2:53:41 PM PDT by Publius (Mother Nature is a hanging judge.)
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To: Howlin; TankerKC

The FREEPIN' WASHINGTON TIMES just picked it up!!!!!
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040909-040052-8114r.htm


29 posted on 09/09/2004 2:53:45 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana ("Kerry-Edwards" or "Bury Vets' Words"? or "Verry Leftwards"?)
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To: marty60
That was my opinion -- They reflect Killian's fellings at the time - code for faked.
30 posted on 09/09/2004 2:53:45 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Steven W.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL MEDIA TO DEMAND THAT KERRY SIGN FORM 180 AND RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS! IF THE MEDIA DOES NOT DEMAND THAT KERRY RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE, PERIOD!
31 posted on 09/09/2004 2:53:56 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: GSWarrior

OK lemmie see. CBS will not produce the name of the expert who examined the documents. But will say that they have credible witnesses who saw the dead guy type this?

Huh?

My uncles-brothers-nephew-nextdoor neighbor's girlfriend's pet pig saw that doument being typed.

Can I have the make and model of that typewriter please?


32 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:07 PM PDT by TheShaz (Is this all they have?)
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To: Diogenesis

I don't think this is how Terry McAwful thought this would turn out.


33 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:22 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Really! I'm just a nice little stay-at-home mom!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written."

Sounds like "intent of the voter" nonsense...

34 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:25 PM PDT by LRS
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To: hispanarepublicana
Later, however, she sent an e-mail to WND, adding, "CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written."

They are trying to say now that these documents 'Just represent the thoughts of Colonel Jerry Killian'. They are changing their tune and soon it will be just a copy of an up to date memo which refers to a previous memo which was observed by people who knew the Colonel and or President Bush at the time reflected in the memo or before or after that time. What a bunch of Word Wankers. This is going to be just a bunch of Yakady yakady yack offs.

35 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:27 PM PDT by fritzz (He that is good at making Excuses… Is seldom good at anything else....Ben Franklin)
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To: hispanarepublicana

This is as bad as Dateline:NBC rigging a GM pickup truck to explode upon a side impact.


36 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:46 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: hispanarepublicana

At very least they have no confidence in these documents. If they did, they wouldn't have amended their statement.

If you are going to levy charges, you had damn well be sure you have backed up the claims. For evidence, look to the Swiftees campaign. O'Neil had it all documented and in order before charging forward.

IMO, CBS didn't do their homework because they believed the charges. Their zeal to smear G.W. may have resulted in forged documents on air without proper scrutiny.


37 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:52 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Stentor

They screwed up. They are dead meat. How much you want to bet this leads right back to the DNC?


38 posted on 09/09/2004 2:54:55 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: dfwgator

His opinion in 1980?


39 posted on 09/09/2004 2:55:26 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: hispanarepublicana

Since Killian is dead, I'm sure he will be voting for Kerry.


40 posted on 09/09/2004 2:55:29 PM PDT by RetroSexual
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