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MICHAEL MEDVED Covering 60 Minutes Document Forgery Scandal
Michael Medved Radio Show ^ | 9/9/04 | Michael Medved

Posted on 09/09/2004 1:39:31 PM PDT by Steven W.

In the 2nd Hour of Michael Medved's show today he is covering the Dan Rather / 60 Minutes Document Forgery Scandal


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; besttalkshowhost; bias; forgery; kerry; killian; medved; michaelmedved; rather; talkradio
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To: RobRoy

The 111 is actually lll - three "ells" instead of three numerals.


81 posted on 09/09/2004 3:52:40 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Nakatu X

Go to his site and look at the first document comparisons. Then find "187th." The superscript in the word document is aligned differently vertically than in the "original" document.

I also notice that the top of the capitol G in word is very thin compared to the left side of the G. In the "original" the top is heavier than the vertical side.

The more I look at these documents, the less similar they look, and it deeply pains me to say that!


82 posted on 09/09/2004 3:57:14 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: mvpel

Note my post 182. The other site has the same problem with the verticle positioning of the superscript. It isn't even close.


83 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: mvpel

I was noticing that the more I look at the original, the less it looks like the times new roman I am used to seeing.


84 posted on 09/09/2004 4:01:23 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: RobRoy
That screen cap of Word is unedited. You can create a similar effect by running just about any filter on it and then turning up the contrast. It was probably printed out, photocopied many times, and photoshopped for "clarity".

In any case I have a feeling that the truth will be coming out soon either way.

And why would a photocopy (and it is obviously a photocopy or at least a forgery of one with the speckles) be crumpled up?


85 posted on 09/09/2004 4:12:23 PM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: Nakatu X; Steven W.; OneTimeLurker
The real tip-off of a possible forgery is the superscript 'th' in 111th. With the possible exception of the IBM Selectric II typewriter, which had been introduced in 1971, no typewriter in common use that I know of could do superscript (or subscript) circa 1972.

Here is an extremely relevant quote from the Wikipedia online encyclopedia about the history of the IBM Selectric:

"The Selectric II had a lever (at the top left of the 'carriage') that allowed characters to be shifted up to a half space to the left (for inserting a word one character longer or shorter in place of a deleted mistake), whereas the Selectric I did not."

I believe the the 't' and 'h' characters could be shifted up to simulate superscript in the early Selectric II's, but it was not a true superscript as shown in this sample: th

However, I believe true superscript did become available on the Selectric type balls at some point, although I'm not 100% certain of this. If true superscript was ever available on typewriters, it would only have been on those which used the type ball technology. I have been unable to find info online as to if/when true superscript was introduced.

86 posted on 09/09/2004 4:12:44 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Silence in the face of atrocity is complicity. Vote GWB 11/2/04 for 9/11/01 & the Russian kids.)
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To: TheBigB

John Kerry served in Vietnam? Oh my gosh! I had no idea! Now I'll have to change my vote! :P


87 posted on 09/09/2004 5:11:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: Wolfstar

Not quite. You could get the same effect if the ball supported "small caps" which I've read was possible on IBM systems of the time. This dose demand greater scrutiny but, unfortunately, we don't have the original or even a first generation copy to go by.


88 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:24 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: Wolfstar

Read on another thread that the man who is considered the number one authority on typewriter fonts (he created a catalogue of over 4000 and is an expert witness in typewritten documents) says that this type face (New Times Roman) doesn't exist as a typewriter font in his catalogue.


89 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:44 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: Nakatu X

Interesting post you've made. Anybody who has worked with type knows how hard it is to sometimes even match up the same typeface from the same foundary across different formats and platforms. The chance that everything from typeface to leading just happen to result in a formatting that lines up perfectly between the typewriter and the word processor (look at the period under the l, the period after teh F.L.S. over the i, etc) would appear to me to be very unlikely.


90 posted on 09/09/2004 5:25:01 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: newzjunkey
You could get the same effect if the ball supported "small caps"...

Ah, but the th in the questionable memo is in lower case letters. In other words, true superscript. I know that some of the type balls for the later Selectrics could do a form of simulated superscript. But I don't know if any could do true superscript with letters -- meaning lower-case letters typed as a unit in small size and raised the correct amount above a standard-sized character. They could do special symbols, such as 1/2, 1/4, and the copyright symbol if these were built onto the type ball. But even then, the technique for making them superscript was a simulation, not true superscript.

91 posted on 09/09/2004 5:25:19 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Silence in the face of atrocity is complicity. Vote GWB 11/2/04 for 9/11/01 & the Russian kids.)
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To: bism

Formatting is all off too. Everything in the Army was lined up on the left margin: date, body, signature block etc.


92 posted on 09/09/2004 5:30:13 PM PDT by ninonitti
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To: Hank Rearden

... and it was on a Woodstock typewriter, by Alger and Priscilla, in the drawing room!


93 posted on 09/09/2004 5:50:55 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
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To: ArmyBratproud

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94 posted on 09/09/2004 5:54:41 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: newzjunkey
This does demand greater scrutiny but, unfortunately, we don't have the original or even a first generation copy to go by.

Then CBS should produce the originals! Or did they build an entire story around copied documents which cannot be authenticated?

95 posted on 09/09/2004 5:57:45 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Steven W.

bump


96 posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Steven W.
- IT IS OVER.

I certainly hope not. There may be time for the Dem's to pull a Torricelli! That's a great way to keep the final candidate out of any campaign embarrassments.

97 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:58 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: RobRoy; Dr.Deth; Steven W.; OneTimeLurker; Howlin; RogueIsland; Wolfstar
Thanks to browsing through the posts in Slashdot I've solved the mystery of why the superscript "th" in Word looks different than the superscript "th" in the memos.

The PRINTED superscript is set higher than the superscript that appears on-screen. I do have an explanation for this being a Win32 programmer, but I disgress.

If you don't want to retype this yourself simply print this Word file out for yourself and compare the differences! It IS indentical to the memo superscript!
98 posted on 09/09/2004 6:33:00 PM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: Steven W.
you will see & confirm I cautioned Howlin (who deserves TREMENDOUS KUDOS by the way) not to get distracted.

You did.

And what a kind thing to say.

99 posted on 09/09/2004 6:36:14 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Nakatu X

Good catch. Yes, you can't really assume that it's true WYSIWYG. There will be variations from the display when you print. I'm not sure of the reason here. I don't think that Windows uses Display Postscript even today -- I think it still uses Bitmap representations that it then scales and smooths according to an algorithm, so that would lead to some differences between the screen's device context representation and the printers device context representation, no? Or am I hopelessly behind the times here (I'm a programmer, but it's been years since I kept up with that particular aspect of the profession).


100 posted on 09/09/2004 6:43:09 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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