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ANG Docs are Fake
Hank All-American | September 9, 2004 | Hank All-American

Posted on 09/09/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by Hank All-American

Okay, guys and gals. As a former Air Force officer and special agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), I have reviewed the documents released by CBS and can say with a high degree of confidence they are fake.

1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.

2--no one issues an "order" through a "memo." Maybe a letter, but nothing as informal as a "memo."

3--the signature (initials) of Lt. Col. Killian is clearly a cut-and-paste job. The last letter ("K") is cut off at the top, where two lines start to curve toward each other in a loop. Impossible to to do by hand. This signature was cut from another document and pasted or taped on the document.

4--No letterhead. Do you really think commanders typed out a the squadron on every letter? No. Letterhead was used.

5--No way there were superscripts back then. No way. Even if it was theoretically possible (which it wasn't), the national guard isn't exactly an early-adopter of technology. This ability wasn't even available at any price for several years.

Conclusion. I think they're fake. As a lawyer, I can also tell you this kind of thing is far more common than people think.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Hank All-American

Fake Docs Story hits Drudge.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 12:25:50 PM PDT by lnbchip
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To: Hank All-American

They are too late, the records was proven forgeries on my fourm around 4am. tsk tsk why can't CBS first do a simple smell test before they report something?


22 posted on 09/09/2004 12:26:14 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: Hank All-American
No way there were superscripts back then.

Some typewriters did have a few such keys.

23 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Always Right

Funny. I've thought the same thing. I didn't voice it because it sound too contorted.


24 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:19 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: Hank All-American

Hank, I have an OSI question(s). My grandfather was an agent after WWII and retired around the late sixties or early seventies. Do you have an e-mail address????


25 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:30 PM PDT by PatriotCJC
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To: Hank All-American
GREAT WORK, FREEPERS....YOU ROCK!!!!!!

Kerry just doesn't realize WHO he's dealing with, here!!!!

26 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:31 PM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: Hank All-American

Agree as to all EXCEPT absence of letterhead. Used to be carbon copies were real carbons and were sometimes on plain white paper...but then, they usually weren't manually signed.
This whole thing stinks.


27 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:31 PM PDT by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: L.N. Smithee

It will be wonderful if true. What laws were broken?


28 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:43 PM PDT by not-alone
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To: Hank All-American
This one is definietely real:


29 posted on 09/09/2004 12:27:56 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Hank All-American
The 'letterhead' could have been done by the base print shop, but the date is in exactly the same font and spacing. Weird.

Looking back through some old military documents (USAF, USAF Reserves, Army & Army Reserves), I see an interesting evolution in the fonts and date formats.


Alleged letter from W's TANG commander


List of test results from USAF basic training


Proficiency report from USAF


Student rating, Army reserves


Misc. letter, Army reserves.

The TANG letter looks like some of the documents I received in the late 70s, early 1980s. Probably done on an IBM Selectric model from that time period, which didn't have an 'th' character, as I recall.

30 posted on 09/09/2004 12:28:13 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
RATHERLIES
31 posted on 09/09/2004 12:29:04 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Always Right
And that's what this is all about, using Bogus attacks on Bush so people don't want to hear legitimate attacks on Kerry.

Yep.

32 posted on 09/09/2004 12:29:14 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: rocklobster11

You're right. That one looks real.

LOL!


33 posted on 09/09/2004 12:29:53 PM PDT by Virginia
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To: cwiz24
>>>Can anyone tell me what a proportional spaced font is?<<<<

Yep. "W" is wider than "i". "M" is wider than "j". Proportional spacing takes into account the space a letter takes and varies the space to the next letter accordingly so that a word doesn't look "jerky" with too much white space between letters - or have letters smashed together.

34 posted on 09/09/2004 12:30:01 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: Hank All-American

Question: Was "CYA" a phrase used as commonly as "Cover your six"? As I understand it, "Cover Your Six" is distinctly air force lingo...


35 posted on 09/09/2004 12:30:02 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: Hank All-American
1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.

My dad was an Arkansas Nat. Guard Admin Tech. I never saw him write a date, even in his private life, in any other way than three letter month.
36 posted on 09/09/2004 12:30:48 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: cwiz24
proportional- small letters like i,l use less space than large letters like m,

non proportional- all letters use the same line space.

37 posted on 09/09/2004 12:32:00 PM PDT by OSHA (Cheap Shots, Low Blows and Late Hits. Free Delivery. Fast Friendly Service with a Smile!)
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To: cwiz24

I believe that in proportional spaced fonts each letter is centered in a square of space so that on either side there is the same distance between letters. With typewriters, it was often the case where some letters were closer to the edges of a key than others on a given machine...thus spacing appeared out of proportion depending upon which letters were side by side. This is also why in old detective movies/books you'll hear of matching a letter to the typewriter. Each key is manufactured with miniscule differences from one typewriter to another. With word processors/printers this was eliminated through programming.


38 posted on 09/09/2004 12:32:07 PM PDT by reed13
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To: Hank All-American
Conclusion. I think they're fake. As a lawyer, I can also tell you this kind of thing is far more common than people think

There was a Freeper here last night that noticed that the documents had a proportional font and said he/she was going to forward his/her comments to Hannity.

My cudos to this person.

39 posted on 09/09/2004 12:32:59 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: Always Right

The MSM are in the last throws of of their terminal death spiral trying to help Kerry. Come this time next month, if Bush is still up 7 points, they will turn on Kerry, and claim to America see, we are fair and balanced.

Pathetic SOB's


40 posted on 09/09/2004 12:33:11 PM PDT by DAC21
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