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1 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:59 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Interesting. Can any military Freepers corroborate?


2 posted on 09/09/2004 7:57:16 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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A timeline history of the IBM Typewriter with old ads to show what the machines looked like. Click on the thumbnail to see an enlargement of that ad.

http://www.etypewriters.com/history.htm


3 posted on 09/09/2004 7:57:47 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: pabianice; Cannoneer No. 4; SLB

Quite true.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 8:01:35 AM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: pabianice; Admin Moderator

There are a couple of threads like this going, Howlin is trying to get all the info consolidated in one place. Could you repost your info here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts?q=1&&page=301


Also, AM, how can we best get these threads consolidated, so we don't miss some great investigative reporting from FReepers? Thanks!


6 posted on 09/09/2004 8:01:42 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe (Now EX-Democrat!)
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Speaking of forgeries...
7 posted on 09/09/2004 8:01:58 AM PDT by pabianice
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Should we have an open thread on this to accumulate all of these points. If there is sufficient evidence, someone should compile and scower the media (I am sure Drudge will appreciate a good story on news media fraud.)
8 posted on 09/09/2004 8:03:05 AM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: Squantos; river rat; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ping


10 posted on 09/09/2004 8:04:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: pabianice

Yep when I address a letter to my daughter it's 2DLT NOT 2nd Lt.


13 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:32 AM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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Almost forgot. The third "Bush Memo" is also misspelled. The correct abbreviation for lieutenant colonel on any ANG document is "LtCol," not "Lt. Colonel." Any LtCol would know better than to misspell his own rank.
<p.
These "documents" reek of fraud.


14 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:35 AM PDT by pabianice
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In official documents of any kind, proper rank abbreviations are strictly enforced, to the point that, if they are incorrect, the document has to be destroyed and rewritten



As a former training NCO for an Infantry Company, I can attest to this - in Spades.


18 posted on 09/09/2004 8:09:53 AM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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This is a definite thing about abbreviations to rank.

A first lieutenant was always shortened to "1Lt." when I was in the USAF, and in the Georgia Air National Guard.

I am not sure that there is a hard rule for this, but I never saw it in the Air Force or ANG in other way that you listed it.
19 posted on 09/09/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by Preachin' (Democrats are liars...)
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These memos are in tru-type fonts. Not only are the forgeries, they are obvious forgeries. There is no way CBS could be so stupid that they do not know what they have.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:13 AM PDT by bondjamesbond
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Another questions about format is the format of the dates. What was the standard used at that base or the air force? Was it to use all caps for the month?

A point that has been made already is that August 18, 1973, is a Saturday. It might be easy, provided you can access the records, to verify who was on the base working on that date. Also, someone had to type these records, if they are real documents then there is a service man or woman who can collaborate them or help to debunk them.
23 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:58 AM PDT by VoteHarryBrowne2000 (We must fight the Black Veil of Islamic Fascism!)
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Here is a good link that shows official military rank abbreviations:

http://www.army.mil/soldiers/styleguide/styleguide4.html


25 posted on 09/09/2004 8:15:02 AM PDT by Preachin' (Democrats are liars...)
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I don't think we can make too much about the use of abbreviations, etc. Remember, these are personal memos to the file. I write them all the time in my work within the US government. It's so that when someone accuses me of not knowing about, or dealing with, a situation, I can pull out my file and show them my thoughts at the time. Since they are for personal files, it's reasonable that they would not be on letterhead, and not follow strict military memo guidance.

In any event, I think the memos, if real, are harmless.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 8:16:55 AM PDT by dwaynestomp
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Guys this memo will go no where because bush didnt make his service an issue. If you drag it all out you keep it in the news like the swiftys did. Be smart. People dont care with Bush, they care about kerry lying about his record because he ran on it.


39 posted on 09/09/2004 8:50:37 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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The Kerry Kamp's Nuance Team is already working on the spin:

"These documents were planted by Bush operatives to trick us.

They took advantage of our gross incompetence and blind
lust for dirt on Bush.

It's just so unfair."
_______________

In other news, although already off the Kerry team,
Sandy Berger was fired again for bungling an archival
document insertion mission.


40 posted on 09/09/2004 8:53:51 AM PDT by Boundless
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Look to the office and look to the clerk typist. Also, what was correct about 40 years ago could change slightly. I started my career with the Navy BuPers years ago on the top floor with no ceiling just pipes running across the ceiling. The majority of the floor was covered with file cabinets and reams of paper. Even though the Navy didn't have that type of rank, I did see paperwork with 1st LT (also 1st Lieutenant), etc. Typists (GS 1 or 2) could add anything and if the supervisor wasn't looking it would pass. The old saying was things were the right way, the wrong way and the government way.


43 posted on 09/09/2004 8:58:36 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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1stLt is a USMC abbreviation. 1LT is a USAF/ANG thang. This smells.


47 posted on 09/09/2004 9:01:55 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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I concur with the other ex-Army folks. It's 1LT and LTC. I never saw a military memo addressed in this manner.

These abbreviations are second nature. A new butter bar might mess it up, but not an LTC.

49 posted on 09/09/2004 9:11:06 AM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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