Posted on 09/09/2004 1:45:13 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
Exciting! I love it! Thanks for the report.
Otherwise we would have an Islamic Hitler across the pond.
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1) If the Crusades were simply a war to force Christianity upon Muslims, then why did the Crusaders (most of whom were from France and Germany) go all the way to the Holy Land? The Muslims in Spain were much closer and a more serious threat.
2) If all the Crusaders wanted to do was run the Muslims out of the Holy Land, then why did they wait until 1096- 400 years after the Muslims took the area over? Surely they would have been in a much better position to do so in the days of Charlemagne.
The answer is simple. In the late 11th Century, the Islamic world was hijacked by radicals bent on spreading their version of Islam. These radicals took control of the Holy Land and began a terror campaign against Christian residents and pilgrims (who were tolerated and even welcomed by the Caliphs until this time). The Byzantines, Franks and Normans launched the First Crusade and retook the Holy Land from the islamofascists. Subsequent Crusades were launched until the threat of islamofascism subsided.
I agree but this time with a more powerful army. Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation...
You missed the point. The crusades were less about liberating, than about counter attacks to prevent Europe from falling. In my mind, the crusaders were heroes and should be honoured.
I think you have to insist that these Muslim countries allow for freedom of religion or at least tolerance in order for Christianity to spread. Christians have been persecuted in Turkey for hundreds of years -- when it wasn't by the state, it was done by Muslim clerics and mobs.
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What's wrong with a new Crusade.........Since these perverted a$$holes are always demanding a "holy war"..lets have one.
Interesting perspective...
When I call them on it, the argument usually ends pretty quickly since they can't justify their position anymore. I'm no expert but they find out pretty fast that I'm not stupid either...once that is established they know not to talk middle east current events with me around, else they get pounded by me with a big stick called historic fact!
Note to Terrorist:You poked the wrong tiger in the eye, again!
Anywhere Islam exists and is practiced, the followers of
Mad Mo get real pushy....why do you think that the french
have that head scarf ban? How pleasent are the wailings
of call to prayer over that poor town in Michigan?
If muslimes would just allow the rest of us to live in
peace, we wouldn't be where we are. That just can't
happen when they follow their 'religion'. The nature
of Islam simply won't allow for freedom of religion,
freedom of government, freedom of anything. Why, they
even kill other muslimes who don't toe the line.
The decline of the Ottoman Empire long predated the machine gun. They started collapsing in the Napoleonic era.
There is probably no area of Western history subject to more misunderstanding, ignorance and direct distortion as the history of the Crusades.
One heroic scholarly effort to sift the truth is being made by Thomas F. Madden, associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University.
Professor Madden is the author of numerous works, including
A Concise History of the Crusades. Here is another point made by the man:
"...the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression – an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands..."
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bttt
Bump for anyone who wants to remove their blinders.
The Crusades were a result of a number of factors. The Muslims had already conquered Spain and Sicily prior to the First Crusade. I believe primogeniture played a larger role than corruption. Primogeniture left a number of knights with no land and plenty of time on their hands.
BTTT
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