Pakistan strikes kill dozens near border-witness

Yep,I remember all those sugary words being said about Saddam Hussein when he was fighting the Iranians(remember Rummy's handshake & USS Stark) & about Zia Ul Haq ,when he was organising "Mujahideen"(oops,sorry i forgot ,they are now called terrorists) to fight the infidel Soviets with Saudi & American help.All these scumbags are angels as long as they do the dirty work (or appear to do it) for Washington-the moment they don't ,they become ogres.

I'd respond to your post but it's such blatant nonsense that even newbies visiting the forum won't fall for it.

More likely they'll see the inconsistencies in your support for an Islamic state that proudly displays it'sIslamic bomb, that created the Taliban and funded AlQaeda, that even now trains terrorists and harbours them. A country that keeps pretending to "catch AlQ leaders" but does it only to weedle more money out of the US.

Next you'll say you support the Saudis.

And he also said his nukes were and always will be defensive.

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And finally, from the horse's mouth, from Lt Gen (Retd) Sardar FS Lodi Pakistan’s Nuclear Doctrine
Mr G. Balachandran writing about India's nuclear doctrine in 'The Hindu' of Delhi on February 15, 1999 says 'While there has not been any detailed enunciation of the nuclear doctrine, a major element has been announced by the government. That is a policy of no-first use. India will not be the first to initiate the use of a nuclear weapon. It will only retaliate with nuclear weapons if such weapons are first used against India.'

While Pakistan would use nukes in offense. WHERE DO you get such bilge stating that theIslamic regime in Pakistan would not use it'sIslamic bomb?

A lot of countries supported AQ and harboured terrorists, including Iraq.

There is no question that Saddam would not now be doing what Pakistan is doing. And if you think Pakistan only "pretends" to catch AQ and we aren't getting people handed over to us, you are indeed delusional.

No one is saying that Pakistan isn't a problem, but that's not how this conversation started. People like you would probably be first in line if we'd gone after Pakistan before going after Iraq. There's just no pleasing some people and somehow I have a feeling you're one of those people.

Let's answer your points one by one:

A lot of countries supported AQ and harboured terrorists, including Iraq.

However, the country that CREATED the Taliban and helped found alQaeda and gave training to the AlQ operatives was Pakistan.

There is no question that Saddam would not now be doing what Pakistan is doing.

What IS pakistan doing? Pretending to catch AlQ operatives while grabbing money from us? hmm.... sounds similar to the stunt SAddam pulled in the 80s 'fighting' against Iran -- the difference being that that WAS real, while this is a sham.

And if you think Pakistan only "pretends" to catch AQ and we aren't getting people handed over to us, you are indeed delusional.

Pakistan 'pretends' to do so -- name the last 'leader' they captured? They keep hinting at capturing some big name and deliver some small fry. And the hints ONLY come when a decision is to be made on if we give money to the Islamic regime in Pakistan. So, turning the point to you I'd say that those who fall for the Paki tricks are being gullible and wasting billion$$$ doing so AND endangering their fellow citizens by asking for US weapons to be given to a slamofascist regime/state.

No one is saying that Pakistan isn't a problem, but that's not how this conversation started. People like you would probably be first in line if we'd gone after Pakistan before going after Iraq. There's just no pleasing some people and somehow I have a feeling you're one of those people.

Pakistan IS the bigger problem NOW. They are run by a military dictator, they HAVE Nuclear weapons and they are an even more radicalised society than Saudi A -- the Pakis sponsor the terrorists that hit Chechnya, the Middle East and will probably hit US interests both in Iraq and here. Realise that your support of the devil won't save you from him

"so the Pakis knew that if they didn't co-operate, their own slamofascist state would be pulled down."

Don't think it was that cut and dry. The US offered multi-billions in aid packages. Musharref has put this money to work to reorganize his intelligence who were directly aiding Al Queda. He did this at his own peril and has made a ton of enemies. Money or threats can work but it takes a lot to do what is right for your own people.

The US attacking Pakistan would have results in China's involvement and potential nuclear forces.

Musharref has put this money to work to reorganize his intelligence who were directly aiding Al Queda.

Err.. there hasn't been ANY re-organisation -- he's dismissed the head of the ISI but the entire organisation is seeped in slamofascism and hte jihad mentality. They were still helping out the Taliban during the Afghan war and did you ever wonder how the Talibs are still able to constitute a threat? THe Pakis are still runnign terror training camps on their territory

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