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1 posted on 09/08/2004 11:49:05 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Thank goodness! The potential for abuse is staggering.


2 posted on 09/08/2004 11:53:35 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Sure glad I'm not a GAMMA....


3 posted on 09/08/2004 11:55:12 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! Romanes Eunt Domus....)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

we don't need testing of children.
we need testing of our leaders.


4 posted on 09/08/2004 11:55:13 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Robert the "RINO")
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Interesting story, and Ron Paul's right to oppose this.

But it doesn't bear out the headline one iota. Just because Ron Paul opposes something doesn't mean it's hit "a roadblock" in the House. What was the editor at WND thinking?


5 posted on 09/08/2004 11:55:58 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

This is just unbelievable evil here.. to hell with them.. my children are not theirs.


6 posted on 09/08/2004 11:56:53 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
God help us. They've already got millions of kids on methanphadamines for a made up illness, now they want to make it easier to drag more of them in? Thanks Rep. Ron Paul. Please write your Senators and ask them to support Paul's amendment.
7 posted on 09/08/2004 11:56:56 PM PDT by Jaysun (The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Ha, ha! With the track record of psych., if they don't remove that program, about half of the parents in this country will either be homeschooling or send their kids to private schools.

In every university, Psych. students and instructors do have a generalized stigma that is earned by many of them, and all others know about it.

Shoot, from General/Intro. Psych. (which course most students do for general requirements), most educated people learn that that standard evaluations, for the most part, are like Voodoo.

...believe in God? That'll score you toward schizo on the MMPI. ...man who likes to read and write a lot (English stuff)? That'll score him toward the homo side and the same malady.

What a crock!

Such an item in a bill would also run right smack into states' rights, at least in one State that I know of.


8 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:24 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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The commission said, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and emotional disorders."

Lack of spare the rod, spoil the child causes this.

Most homes are "child centered" and too many parents refuse to discipline their kids or spend time raising them. They'd rather make money and our source the raising of their kids who also don't discipline their kids.
9 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:46 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Sieg Heil!

Ja and if ya don't kooperate, ve vill take your kinder avay to be taught the proper love for thee state!

Furthurmore, if you don't vote for Herr Bush, You vill be labeled an enemy of the publik and the great conservative revolution!

10 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:21 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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The federal "Mental Health Commission" needs to be shut down.


http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/address.html

...President Bush identified another obstacle, the fragmented mental health service delivery system. The President said that mental health centers and hospitals, homeless shelters, the justice and school systems have contact with individuals suffering from mental disorders but that too many Americans fall through the cracks of the current system. The President said he created the Commission to ensure “that the cracks are closed.”...


President's New Freedom
Commission on Mental Health

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/FullReport-05.htm

Achieving the Promise: Transforming Mental Health Care in America

4.1 Promote the mental health of young children.
4.2 Improve and expand school mental health programs.
4.3 Screen for co-occurring mental and substance use disorders and link with integrated treatment strategies.
4.4 Screen for mental disorders in primary health care, across the life span, and connect to treatment and supports.

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/index.html

11 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:00 AM PDT by niki
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Some of Joe's writers do go a little over the edge, sometimes.

The President did start that Commission, but is he really in favor of that evaluation item in the Bill?

I haven't had the time to look the Bill and item up. But as a conservative organization explained it to us, and according to my busy memory from a quick scan, the mandatory testing would only apply to public education students and school employees. Fill me in if I'm incorrect on that.

It's still something that needs to be dealt with by the more active voters/constituents, and the latter part of an Election Campaign is an improper time for such an item in a Bill to be crammed into the agenda.

If such an item in a Bill were to pass or continue in Congress through the Election Day, US morale in general would succumb to the noise and costs that would follow. And most of our Campaign would take a seat.

So that item in the Bill must go away or be amended out of the Bill and not become law.


12 posted on 09/09/2004 12:23:05 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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"If this is all true, and if this item doesn't get tossed/vote down, I'm a third party or no-vote, and so will be just about every dad in the fathers' rights movement. ...will work positively in the meantime but will also inform the others right now. We stand for parents' rights--not nutty psych./Div 51 weirdness. ...thought that went away with Hillary's Donna Shalala bunch."

The info is passed on and circulating. Either that Bill item will go away through amendment or Bill failure so that I may update the organizations with good news, or a large chunk of the vote will not happen.
15 posted on 09/09/2004 1:00:23 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; little jeremiah
Ping!

This is not the usual "agenda" ping, but I think it's an extremely important item regarding family rights.


We'll be checking the thomas.loc.gov and roll call sites very regularly to track this Bill item. If it goes away by amendment or Bill failure, positive other activity on my part (and the fathers' rights part of family rights) will resume, and the votes will be picked up from the floor again and taken to the polls.

BTW, if you have a look at this, do see comment #11 for government site info on it.

If you are very interested in this, don't forget to keep close track. Then if and when good news comes that the item is gone, make sure word of that gets to each and every person who received this bad news. We certainly don't want to lose the vote if/when the vote is good to go again.
16 posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:06 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Someone should screen the editors of WND for paranoia.

"The New Freedom Commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental-health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

The above paragraph is what the proposed effort really intends to do. There is nothing to suggest they are trying to drug the population, find people for Ritalin or any of the other spurious allegations in this article.

Usually, such articles come from anti-mental health people such as the Church of Scientology. Many of the hard core Libertarians are runners up in pontificating paranoid convictions about the dangers of assessing children and others for mental disorders likely to impair educational attainment. Shame on Representative Paul: he must have missed his weekly injection of public notoriety.

19 posted on 09/09/2004 4:02:49 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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It's already a done deal in Illinois. School kids and pregnant woman get screened, whether they want it or not:

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=19137


20 posted on 09/09/2004 5:46:10 AM PDT by ladylib
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More info from The Illinois Leader:

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17748

Apparently the state board of education will be responsible for developing mental health assessments for their students, LOL.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:52 AM PDT by ladylib
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Save it. Nobody here's gonna get too upset about this until Hillary's in the White House.


22 posted on 09/09/2004 6:00:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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It's about drugging and the office of future crime...

Gonna test all the illegal aliens living in America as well....or just taxpayer's children?

How about the Muslims...no doubt they will claim exemption and start screaming loudly...
and they will also be exempt..

This is un American and just a bit too Orwellian ...

imo


23 posted on 09/09/2004 6:36:19 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Two Heads Are Better Than One...Unless They're On The Same Person -Andy Sipowicz)
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Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, plans to offer an amendment in the House of Representatives today that would remove from an appropriations bill a new mandatory mental-health screening program for America's children.

Way to go, Dr. Paul!
Win or lose, at least he's trying! Also, if it weren't for this story in the evil, libertine cyber-rag WND, how many of you would even know that the President's commission recommendations were being enacted?

It is crucial that this amendment be passed. Appropriation bills are generally rubber-stamped, and this despicable affront to privacy and liberty will be enacted.

I have never seen such a massive growth in government power, all the more shocking from a Republican dominated government.
Another thought: If adjudged mentally disturbed, what happens to your right to keep and bear arms?

27 posted on 09/09/2004 1:41:58 PM PDT by GhostofWCooper
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I'm trying to look up the Bill info with no success at all.

If Paul, Schlafly and friends want the help of coalitions much larger than theirs on legislative issues like the one mentioned above, they should be responsible and thoughtful enough to include bill numbers and full bill texts. Such documents, as I understand it, belong to the federal government and are not copyright enforceable.

We cannot help with such efforts if we only see catchy slogans. The WorldNetDaily column and all other pieces I see against the so-called "New Freedom Initiative" have no information that I can find the Bill item with.

They will continue to lose at fighting Stalinist legislative tactics until we start getting the information we need. For now, the WND and other slogan-filled screeching has only succeeded in spreading propaganda that will stop many from voting in favor of the President in November.

Idjits!
28 posted on 09/09/2004 2:31:52 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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