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To: John O
I find this "Bush really won the popular vote without the fraud" argument quite silly. The final tally is the final tally, and Bush lost. If you add in the Nader votes, Bush really lost to the liberals in the popular vote.

Perhaps there really WERE millions of fraudulent votes cast nationwide, and perhaps Bush "really" won the popular vote, but this is an exercise in whining that is worthy of Democrats, not of Republicans.

Given the fact that the party has put on no nationwide push to reform the electoral system to prevent fraud, I can only assume that either:

a. There is no massive fraud on the scale that is claimed by many.

b. The GOP has decided that the political costs of fighting fraud on a large scale are too high, and that they are better off just against a stacked deck in every election, or

c. The GOP has spineless, stupid, or incompetent leadership.

Whatever the case may be, grousing about fraud has all the practical value (and legitimacy) of any other useless speculation.

I personally feel that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and that there is some voter fraud -- enough to swing a very tight race (a few thousand per state) to the Dems. I think that the GOP has calculated that the extent of the fraud (and the urban areas where it happens) is not enough to be worth the political flak they would take.

i.e. the party leadership has made a calculated decision to just work against the stacked deck, and accept it. Since they accept it, it is a bit unseemly for us to be whining about it and claiming that we "really" won this race or that. And again, unless you're actually going to DO something about it in the next election, it's all pretty pointless. Leave that song and dance to the Sore/Loserman crowd...

125 posted on 09/08/2004 3:50:26 PM PDT by Agrarian (The second most important election of the year is the Senate race in South Dakota -- donate to Thune)
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To: Agrarian
I personally feel that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and that there is some voter fraud -- enough to swing a very tight race (a few thousand per state) to the Dems. I think that the GOP has calculated that the extent of the fraud (and the urban areas where it happens) is not enough to be worth the political flak they would take.

I agree with you. However, just because the party leadership decides to work around it and not mention the elephant in the living room doesn't mean that I have to listen to the enemy claim a victory that they didn't win. Truth is still truth no matter who ignores it

(and yes, democrats and their supporters are the enemy. They seek to destroy my way of life and everything that I hold sacred. They are, in most cases, no different than islamic terrorists (ok. I know that was slightly redundant, I could have just said islamics))

147 posted on 09/09/2004 4:42:14 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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