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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Those boys were already diagnosed as mentally disturbed before they started taking the drugs -- that's why they were taking them. Big difference from these Special Forces guys who are put through some of the most rigorous psychological screening on earth before getting into those units.


28 posted on 09/07/2004 7:28:56 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Donate to the Swift Vets -- www.swiftvets.com)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
some of the most rigorous psychological screening on earth

Oh, I wouldn't say that. The candidates nowadays must take a Wonderlic test, a Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, a Test of Adult Basic Education (Level A), and maybe one or two others.

The Wonderlic is an IQ test, full stop: it weeds out the dummies, nothing more. (It is a backup for the GT score (IQ) minumum standard). The MMPI is a personality test that produces several scales indicating where in a range of several personality traits a person finds himself. It is uncannily valid, and can catch people trying to fake the test. So it weeds out some of the quitters, glory seekers and personality disorders (pity they didn't have it when 'Jack' Idema joined up). The TABE just tests basic knowledge: it weeds out the ignorant, the very poorly educated, and those that have learning problems.

When I joined up they didn't have all these tests; instead you had to get a "crazy statement" from the crazy doctor that you were not a nutball. (This is still required for certain types of advanced training today, about which the less said the better). My "crazy doctor" was an AF Pshrink who was absolutely appalled to find himself in the presence of someone who would want to go, in his words, "running off killing snakes and eating people." When I explained that it was eating snakes and killing people, he reluctantly signed the statement for me.

Now, today's regime is certainly more comprehensive than that, and it's more than what other parts of the military do to people who are, mostly, already in the service with good records; but it's far from infallible.

Plus, any psychological test or review is a snapshot of a moment in time. I think most of us can, from our own experience as friends, supervisors, etc., attest to the power of (for instance) a love affair, especially in the throes of starting or ending, to screw up even an orderly and disciplined life.

Right now, malaria prophylaxis is saving American lives. (All the main theaters of the GWOT are in malaria season this very minute). That doesn't mean we can't learn from study, but I want to remind everybody that the decision when the best scientific evidence is in may well be, to take the hits we take from mefloquine psychosis (the literature online says 1 in 15,000 or 20,000 users, which is a VERY high level of such a serious side effect), rather than risk the hits that malaria will give us.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

30 posted on 09/07/2004 8:09:04 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (The Associated Press: 'If you're going to lie, make it a big lie.')
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Those boys were already diagnosed as mentally disturbed before they started taking the drugs...

Most boys are diagnosed by the public schools as something or other these days - that way they can drug 'em and forget 'em.

50 posted on 09/08/2004 5:51:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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