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Excess Frugality leads to... A Range Mishap (1911 KaBoom)
The Gun Zone ^ | Patrick A. Rogers

Posted on 09/06/2004 10:41:57 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR

A short-sighted Gunsite student is now short a Series 70 Colt

Series 70 Colt's Government Model after firing a .45 ACP round with a fired .40 S&W cartridge lodged in the BarSto barrel.

Besides being an ugly gun (the only saving grace are the Novak sights...) and having something soooo retro - and unsafe - as a trigger shoe, the owner/operator of said Series 70 did - because he was:

  1. Cheap
  2. Stupid
  3. Both of the above

      ...pick up from the deck a live round of ammunition, with which to continue his 350 class at Gunsite.

Unfortunately, while the pistol is .45 ACP, he picked up a .40 caliber round.

The 'Smithy says:

The .40 round apparently fired, and the case was left somewhere in the chamber. He pressed again and got a click. He applied immediate action... the .45 round pushed the .40 case into the chamber. He pressed the trigger. The .45 round pushed the case partially out of the barrel. The .45 projectile remained in the barrel. The .45 case remained in place against the breachface.

The force went down, splitting the Bar-Sto barrel and bending the dust cover.

Deformed dust cover and rent BarSto barrel

I have always said that some people shouldn't have guns (especially lately - the increase in the number of incidents by students - who all have had exposure to guns, training and such - is rising dramatically) or cars, or children, or oxygen.

I do not permit students to bend over on the line unless i give them permission to do so. This has always been a safety issue. Bending down to pick something up means you are loosing situational awareness. I will permit retrieving magazines and such when the line is clear and I give the command.

But picking up ammunition????? How stupid is that?

This guy apparently was upset that his faithful (but ugly) companion of lo so many years was ruined. And for what? Saving a few cents?

FYI: I was not present when this act of frugality occurred.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 1911; 40ina45; bang; banglist; frugality; kaboom; series70colt; situationalawareness
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To: Darksheare
You know you're a gun nut when you can take a $400 hit and smile because you've really got the one you want this time. :)
61 posted on 09/06/2004 4:21:52 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

That is like loading a dud where the primer fires and lodges the projectile somewhere inside the barrel, then manually loading a live round on top of it.


62 posted on 09/06/2004 4:21:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL!


63 posted on 09/06/2004 4:22:49 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

There was a guy at Gabe Suarez's Frontsight acadamy in Nevada who shot himself in the leg do to a trigger shoe, not a good thing on a combat handgun.

I'm surprised they didn't make this guy remove it.


64 posted on 09/06/2004 4:29:25 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Darksheare
First thing I did after making the coffee properly was to shoot the nug.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

65 posted on 09/06/2004 4:29:29 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: TC Rider

I'm quite fond of target triggers on revolvers, even for double action work. But long travel and a heavier pull gives you more room for error than a 4 pound 1911 trigger.

Of course, not getting on the trigger until you're on target isn't a bad idea either.


66 posted on 09/06/2004 4:32:05 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TERMINATTOR; Eaker; TexasCowboy
This guy has nothing on Eaker. Tom can destroy a perfectly good M-1 and seldom bothers with a mere pistol.

........ er speaking of which, where is that 9mm of mine Eaker?

67 posted on 09/06/2004 4:33:17 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Free Republic's spell check does not recognize JimRob, DeLay or Zell.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Around 20 years ago, I had a mishap with a series 70 Colt, (which btw, was one of the best I ever had).

I was plinking using my own handloads. Shooting double taps and noticed a squib round but had fired the second before I could stop. The second shot kicked hard but I didn't see anything wrong with the gun.

I took it home and field stripped it. That was when I noticed a bulge in the barrel. I eventually replaced the barrel although it shot as well as ever, which was very good.

As near as I can figure, I had put too much lube on the case and it had contaminated the powder. The bullet had stayed in the barrel.

One thing I never figured out was how that squib had enough power to eject and chamber a second round.

68 posted on 09/06/2004 4:37:04 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I'm quite fond of target triggers on revolvers, even for double action work. But long travel and a heavier pull gives you more room for error than a 4 pound 1911 trigger.

I actually still have one on an older Ruger .357 Blackhawk that was originally set up with a 4x scope for woodchuck hunting. It stays in the safe. On a combat handgun, a trigger shoe is likely to get caught on something.

69 posted on 09/06/2004 4:37:16 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
PS: Just to get even... Shot my new to me Smith Mod 25 in 45 ACP (vintage 1959) this weekend, got groups equal to my Kimber Gold Match. Some guy selling off his father's estate... 99%+ with cokebottle grips... $350.

I never stop at garbage sales but I did this time.

Bought the same gun for fifteen cents!!!!

Still not too happy as I am almost out a quarter, but I do have a 1911.

For what thats worth.......

70 posted on 09/06/2004 4:37:28 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Eaker

The guy only gave you a deal because you've got 8 fingers from previous misadventures! ;-)


71 posted on 09/06/2004 4:38:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
A .44 Special is the only thing left in my current Smith wish list. Triplelocks are out, but a nice Model 24 would be nice.

Mmmmm, .44 special.

I too would like to find a .44, preferably something with a 3 or 4" barrel. Luckily we're on opposite sides of the country.

I like your idea of finders fees.

I've been filling out my .357 collection this summer. A King Cobra w/2.5" barrel, a Model 19 w/4" and a Model 66 with a 2.5" barrel. (I guess I've been filling out my snubby collection also.)

I'm really wanting a 'bulldog' though, something that starts with a "4" that has a 3" or less barrel. I'd love a 3" 25 (625) or the equivalent in a .44.

72 posted on 09/06/2004 4:49:00 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
In the safe still defective. We can meet up or I can get off of my butt and make sure my buddy takes it to his country smith.

Let me know HC.

73 posted on 09/06/2004 4:51:04 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I can't win!!!

;

74 posted on 09/06/2004 4:53:59 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
PS: Just to get even... Shot my new to me Smith Mod 25 in 45 ACP (vintage 1959) this weekend, got groups equal to my Kimber Gold Match. Some guy selling off his father's estate... 99%+ with cokebottle grips... $350.

I'm still doing the happy dance.

Also weeping. I have a 625 with a 5" barrel and love it. It's a kick ass PPC gun and I'm itching to take it to a pin match. I've had the SDM sight installed and had a smith friend install the Miculek springs.

75 posted on 09/06/2004 4:54:14 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Even split the stock as I recall. Does he still have that carouche on his forehead?


76 posted on 09/06/2004 5:10:19 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't blame me - I voted for McClintock!)
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To: Eaker

Me and y typos..
Oh well, hoist the talkin pints high and make 'em scream.


77 posted on 09/06/2004 5:41:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Eaker
I really don't think you are the one to do the job. Shoot enough ammo in a mixed caliber environment, especially .40 and .45 and the swap will happen sooner or later. Now you may go pound sand if it will make you feel better.

Peace, Dan

78 posted on 09/06/2004 6:22:49 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan; Squantos; TexasCowboy; TheMom; HoustonCurmudgeon; Flyer; glock rocks
Shoot enough ammo in a mixed caliber environment, especially .40 and .45 and the swap will happen sooner or later.

Not in my world or on my range.

Pound your own sand, I have work to do.

Peace or war; I don't chose, I respond.
Tom

79 posted on 09/06/2004 7:41:35 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
A proper firearms "affectionado" will pay and pay and pay and pay.........enjoy yer new toy Slim.

Stay safe

80 posted on 09/06/2004 8:06:43 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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