Posted on 09/06/2004 5:00:06 AM PDT by Timeout
Even before Zell Miller jumped Chris Matthews last week, I noticed something had changed. During the entire week, when an interviewer colored a question with anti-GOP shiboleths, the person being interviewed shot it down...aggressively.
I believe Karl Rove and gang perceives a wounded enemy after the damage the MediaCrats did to themselves over the Swifty story. The blogoshpere whipped their a$$ in that case.
I think the turning point was the Michelle Malkin interview on Hardball. It was such a grand display of the left's rhetorical trick of twisting what a conservative says and mistating their position over and over and over. Michelle was caught flat-footed by it...she should have directly challenged Chris's misquote. I think the Bushies said "never again". Note that Zell Miller, in his tirade against Matthews, referred back to the Malkin case.
It appears to me that, after the Malkin ambush, Rove and company decided it was time to smash the media's biased concept of conservatives. I believe the talking points must have gone out...don't take it anymore. Slap 'em when they preface a question with some insult to conservatives. When David Gergen tried the old trick of tying Zell to southern racists, Laura Ingraham jumped on him like a junkyard dog and forced him to retreat.
It happened time and again last week...conservatives refusing to move on until the host retracted some implication that the GOP is mean, heartless, racist, etc. This is new to me. Did anyone else notice it?
The media will be throwing all sorts of garbage on Bush in the next 2 months, and it will be interesting to see if the people see these media attacks as further reason to rally TO Bush. Bush and Rove could subtly ridicule the media as Kerry's running mate to drag them down with Kerry's reputation. The media will have some hard choices ahead if the numbers hold and this is really a Bush country. They, like the French will have a choice between ideological purity and public support ($$).
Somewhere on this forum, I read a comment that said the magic phrase is "What [name the candidate] needs to do to win." That phrase indicates that the candidate in question is in deep doo-doo. I heard Juan Williams say it over the weekend in reference to Kerry. He said, plain and day, "What Kerry needs to do to win..."
Whatever the message strategy is, it's working. I have noticed that the conservatives have been more pointed. They must have somebody really good providing the talking points or they're practicing mock debates. The message is finally getting out and there's blood in the water.
No, I haven't -- but I'd pay 50 cents to see Laura jump ugly on Gergen. He was such a go-along guy I scarcely counted him a Pubbie, which he once was.
They have to be careful about it, though. The LameStream Effluvia will retaliate with editing. They'll pretend to be interviewing live but go to tape before they put it out, and edit their subjects, and plead constraints of time afterward. You watch. They'll go to canned and snipped stuff.
"SEN. KERRY: I think, Tim, as people get to know me in the course of this, theyll know the things that I have fought for and the things I stand for. I was a prosecutor. Ive sent people to jail for the rest of their life. Im opposed to the death penalty in the criminal justice system because I think its applied unfairly, as even Republican governors have determined, and because Im for a worse punishment.
I think it is worse to take somebody and put them in a small cell for the rest of their life, deprived of their freedom, never to be paroled. Now, I think thats tougher. Let me just finish.
MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, why shouldnt Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Oklahoma building, or if John Muhammad is convicted of being a sniper here in Washingtonwhy shouldnt they receive the death penalty?
SEN. KERRY: Tim, I think that, as I said, you know, different people have different opinions about whats worse. Ive seen people die and I know what its like to almost die. I dont think thatyou know, dying is scary for a while, but in the end, the punishment is gone. When youre alive and youre deprived of your freedom each day and youre in tough circumstancesand Im talking about tough circumstances. Im not talking about some cushy situation where they live off the fat of the land in prison.. Im talking about tough. But if youre deprived of that freedom for the rest of your living days until God decides to take you, you know, that is tough, my friend, and I think that plenty of people think that.
LOL!!!!
This mental case had better hope they start giving tours of the White House again, because thats the closest to the Oval Office he is ever going to get.
When one woman read a poem on fear, and talked about how the Bush Administration was using it as a weapon against its people, I was through with this bunch of creeps.
They just don't have any recollection of 9/11.
THE FACTS ABOUT SENATOR JOHN KERRY (D-MA)
KERRY: DUKAKIS
'S LT. GOV. WHO VOTESOn Key Votes, Kerry Voted 100% Of The Time With Senator Kennedy In 2001, 1999, 1998, 1993, 1992, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, and 1985. Over the course of his Senate career, Kerry has sided with Senator Kennedy 94% of the time for key votes.
As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor From 1983-1985, Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs To Hundreds Of Massachusetts Inmates. Later as a U.S. Senator in 1988, he defended the program: "The furlough program in Massachusetts is tougher than the federal program." (John King,
"Bush Surrogate Gets Ambushed In Dukakis Territory," The Associated Press, July 6, 1988)KERRY CLAIMS HE
'S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT VOTES FOR HIGHER TAXES, AND AGAINST TAX CUTSKerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending.
Kerry Voted Against President Bush's Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Key Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career.
Kerry Voted For The Biggest Tax Increase In American History Under President Clinton.
Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston's "Big Dig." Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project "the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history." The "Big Dig" was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion. (
"Congressional Ratings," Citizens Against Government Waste Website, www.cagw.org, Accessed January 7, 2003; Natalie M. Henry, "Senate Commerce Investigates Overspending On Boston's Big Dig,'" Environment And Energy Daily, May 3, 2000)KERRY IS EXTREME ON ABORTION, SUPPORTING FEDERAL FUNDING AND PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS
Kerry Voted At Least Three Times Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortions.
Kerry Voted To Allow Federal Funding Of Abortions And To Provide Abortion Counseling In Federally-Funded Clinics.
KERRY IN DEPTH
KERRY: DUKAKIS
'S LT. GOV. WHO VOTESOn Key Votes, Kerry Voted 100% Of The Time With Senator Kennedy In 2001, 1999, 1998, 1993, 1992, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, and 1985. Over the course of his Senate career, Kerry has sided with Senator Kennedy 94% of the time for key votes. (Roll Call Key Votes, http://oncongress.cq.com, December 2001)
Kerry's Lifetime Vote Rating From Americans For Democratic Action Is Five Points Higher Than That Of Fellow Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy. While Kennedy only rates an 88 lifetime average, Kerry has a lifetime average of 93. (Americans For Democratic Action Website, www.adaction.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)
Kerry And Kennedy Had Exactly The Same Low Rating From The American Conservative Union In Both 2001 (4%) And 2000 (12%). Kerry
's lifetime rating from the ACU is 5%. (American Conservation Union Website, www.acuratings.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)Kerry Is Against The Death Penalty.
"I'm opposed to the death penalty in the criminal justice system because I think it's applied unfairly . . . ." (NBC's "Meet The Press," December 1, 2002)Kerry Is An Extreme Environmentalist Who Voted With The Activist Group, The League Of Conservation Voters, An Average Of 95% Of The Time In The Last Three Congresses. (League Of Conservation Voters Website, www.lcv.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)
Kerry Has Voted For At Least Seven Major Reductions In Defense And Military Spending Necessary For Our National Security. (S. 1438, Roll Call Vote #286: Motion agreed to 53-47: R 21-28; D 31-19, September 25, 2001; S. 1087, Roll Call Vote #397: Passed 62-35: R 48-4; D 14-31, September 5, 1995; S. 1298, Roll Call Vote #251: Adopted 50-48: R 6-36; D 44-12, September 9, 1993; S. 3114, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, August 7, 1992; S. 2399, Roll Call Vote #56: Motion rejected 50-48: R 3-40; D 47-8, March 26, 1992; H.R. 2707, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 28-69 R 3-39; D 25-30, September 10, 1991; S. 1352, Roll Call Vote #148: Motion agreed to 50-47: R 37-6; D 13-41, June 27, 1989)
As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor From 1983-1985, Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs To Hundreds Of Massachusetts Inmates. Later as a U.S. Senator in 1988, he defended the program: "The furlough program in Massachusetts is tougher than the federal program." (John King,
"Bush Surrogate Gets Ambushed In Dukakis Territory," The Associated Press, July 6, 1988)KERRY CLAIMS HE
'S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT HAS A HISTORY OF VOTING FOR HIGHER TAXES AND AGAINST TAX CUTSKerry Called For "Fiscal Responsibility," Just Like When He Voted For The 1993 Tax Hike, The Largest In History. "All the Democrats have generally resisted the GOP proposal to make the tax cuts permanent. . . . Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry called for a return to the fiscal responsibility we gave this country in 1993 when we passed the Deficit Reduction Act.'" (Will Lester,
"Top Democrats Complain About Bush Economic Plans, But Some Steer Away From Tax Debate," The Associated Press, October 15, 2002)Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston's "Big Dig." Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project "the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history." The "Big Dig" was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion. (
"Congressional Ratings," Citizens Against Government Waste Website, www.cagw.org, Accessed January 7, 2003; Natalie M. Henry, "Senate Commerce Investigates Overspending On Boston's Big Dig'," Environment and Energy Daily, May 3, 2000)Kerry Voted Against President Bush's Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Major Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career. (H.R. 1836, Roll Call Vote #165: Adopted 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, May 23, 2001; H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, April 4, 2001; S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 52-2; D 4-41; I 1-0, July 30, 1999; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #169: Adopted 59-36: R 51-2; D 8-34, June 24, 1998; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, October 30, 1997; H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, May 23, 1997; S. 1028, Roll Call Vote #72: Adopted 52-46: R 5-46; D 47-0, April 18, 1996; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #190: Passed 50-49: R 0-43; D 49-6, June 25, 1993; H. Con. Res. 64, Roll Call Vote #83: Adopted 54-45: R 0-43; D 54-2, March 25, 1993; H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #298: Rejected 51-47 (needed 2/3 majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, November 15, 1989)
In September 2001, Kerry Said We Should Not Raise Taxes In An Economic Downturn.
"The first priority is the economy of our nation. And when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. We shouldn't do either. We need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy. . . . No, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. . . . you don't want to raise taxes." (NBC's "Meet The Press," September 2, 2001)In April 2002, Kerry Said He Wanted A Larger Tax Cut And Was "Not In Favor Of" A Repeal. CNN's Tucker Carlson: "Senator Kerry, . . . [many Democrats] [g]et a lot of political mileage out of criticizing [President Bush's tax cut], but nobody has the courage to say repeal it. Are you for repealing it?" Kerry: "It's not a question of courage. . . . And it's not an issue right now. We passed appropriately a tax cut as a stimulus, some $40 billion. Many of us thought it should have even maybe been a little bit larger this last year . . . . [T]he next tax cut doesn't take effect until 2004. If we can grow the economy enough between now and then, if we have sensible policies in place and make good choices, who knows what our choices will be. So it's simply not a ripe issue right now. And I'm not in favor of turning around today and repealing it." (CNN
In December 2002, Kerry Flip-Flopped. NBC's Tim Russert: "Senator . . . should we freeze or roll back the Bush tax cut?" Kerry: "Well, I wouldn't take away from people who've already been given their tax cut . . . . What I would not do is give any new Bush tax cuts. . . ." Russert: "So the tax cut that's scheduled to be implemented in the coming years . . . ." Kerry: "No new tax cut under the Bush plan. . . . It doesn't make economic sense." Russert: "Now, this is a change, because let me show you what you said in September of 2001 when I asked you the very same question." (NBC
Kerry Voted At Least Five Times To Raid The Social Security Trust Fund. (H.R. 2014, Roll Call Vote #211: Conference Report Agreed To 92-8: R 55-0; D 37-8, July 31, 1997; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #247: Conference Report Agreed To 50-50, With Vice President Gore Voting Yea: R 0-44; D 50-6, August 6, 1993; H.Con.Res. 268, Roll Call Vote #167: Conference Report Agreed To 58-29: R 21-20; D 37-9, June 6, 1988; H.R. 3545, Roll Call Vote #419: Conference Report Agreed To 61-28: R 18-23; D 43-5, December 21, 1987; H.R. 3128, Roll Call Vote #379: Conference Report Agreed To 78-1: R 40-1; D 38-0, December 19, 1985)
KERRY IS EXTREME ON ABORTION, SUPPORTING FEDERAL FUNDING OF ABORTIONS AND PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS
Kerry Voted At Least Three Times Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortions. (H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #596: Adopted 54-44: R 45-8; D 9-36, December 7, 1995; H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #301: Veto Override Rejected 57-41: R 45-6; D 12-35, September 26, 1996; H.R. 1122, Roll Call Vote #277: Veto Override Rejected 64-36: R 51-4; D 13-32, September 18, 1998)
KERRY'S KEY VOTES 107th Congress, 2001 Senate Votes Against The Bush Tax Cut: Kerry voted against a $1.35 trillion tax cut package to reduce income-tax rates, alleviate the
For Reducing Size Of The Tax Cut: Kerry voted to reduce Bush's proposed tax cut ceiling by $448 billion over 10 years. (H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, April 4, 2001) |
Against Ashcroft Nomination: Kerry voted against confirming John Ashcroft to be Attorney General. (Roll Call Vote #8: Confirmed 58-42: R 50-0; D 8-42, February 1, 2001) |
106th Congress, 1999-2000 Senate Votes |
Against Genetic Privacy: Kerry voted against approving a GOP plan to restrict use of genetic information by health insurers. (Amendment To H.R. 4577, Roll Call Vote #165: Amendment Passed 58-40: R 55-0; D 3-40, June 29, 2000) |
For Expanding Hate Crime Protections: Kerry voted to include gender, sexual orientation and disability in federal hate crime protections. (Amendment To S. 2549, Roll Call Vote #136: Amendment Passed 57-42: R 13-41; D 44-1, June 20, 2000) |
Against Reducing Taxes: Kerry voted against reducing federal taxes by $792 billion over 10 years. (S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 53-2; D 4-41, July 30, 1999) |
105th Congress, 1997-98 Senate Votes |
Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortion: Kerry voted against a ban on "partial-birth" abortions. (H.R. 1122, Roll Call Vote #277: Rejected 64-36: R 51-4; D 13-32, September 18, 1998) |
Against Banning Cloning: Kerry voted against allowing vote to ban human cloning. (S. 1601, Roll Call Vote #10: Cloture Motion Rejected 42-54: R 42-12; D 0-42, February 11, 1998) |
Against Educational Savings Accounts: Kerry voted against allowing a vote to create educational savings accounts. (H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Cloture Motion Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, October 30, 1997) |
Against Fiscally Responsible Budget: Kerry voted against approving a GOP budget to cut spending and taxes. (H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, May 23, 1997) |
Against Balanced-Budget Amendment: Kerry voted against approving a balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (S.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, March 4, 1997) |
104th Congress, 1995-96 Senate Votes |
Against Balancing The Budget: Kerry voted against a bipartisan plan to balance the budget in seven years. (S. Con. Res. 57, Roll Call Vote #150: Rejected 46-53: R 22-30; D 24-23, May 23, 1996) |
Against Tort Reform: Kerry voted against allowing a vote to approve a cap on punitive damages in product liability cases. (H.R. 956, Roll Call Vote #152: Rejected 47-52: R 45-9; D 2-43, May 4, 1995) |
103rd Congress, 1993-94 Senate Votes |
Against Spending Reductions: Kerry voted to kill an amendment to reduce budget spending by $94 billion. (H.R. 3759, Roll Call Vote #35: Motion To Table Adopted 65-31: R 23-19; D 42-12, February 9, 1994) |
For The Largest Tax Increase In American History: Kerry voted to pass Clinton's budget that raised taxes and cut spending. (H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #247: Adopted 51-50: R 0-44; D 50-6, With Vice President Gore Voting "Yea," August 6, 1993) |
102nd Congress, 1991-92 Senate Votes |
Against Stopping Missile Defense Spending Cuts: Kerry voted against a motion to kill an amendment that proposed deeper cuts in SDI spending. (S. 3114, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion To Table Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, August 7, 1992) |
Against School Choice: Kerry voted against approving a school-choice pilot program. (S. 2, Roll Call Vote #5: Rejected 36-57: R 33-6; D 3-51, January 23, 1992) |
Against Thomas Nomination: Kerry voted against confirming Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. (Roll Call Vote #220: Confirmed 52-48: R 41-2; D 11-46, October 15, 1991) |
For Defense Spending Reductions: Kerry voted to transfer $3.1 billion to domestic programs from Defense department accounts. (H.R. 2707, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 28-69 R 3-39; D 25-30, September 10, 1991) |
Against Persian Gulf War: Kerry voted against authorizing the use of force in the Persian Gulf. (S.J. Res. 2, Roll Call Vote #2: Passed 52-47: R 42-2; D 10-45, January 12, 1991) |
101st Congress, 1989-90 Senate Votes |
Against Flag Burning Amendment: Kerry voted against a constitutional amendment on flag desecration. (S.J. Res. 332, Roll Call Vote #128: Rejected 58-42: R 38-7; D 20-35, June 26, 1990) |
Against Parental Notification For Minors' Abortions: Kerry voted to kill an amendment requiring parental notice for minors' abortions. (H.R. 5257, Roll Call Vote #266: Motion To Table Rejected 48-48: R 8-34; D 40-14, October 12, 1990) |
Against Considering A Capitol Gains Tax Cut: Kerry voted against allowing a vote on a capital gains tax cut. (H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #295: Motion To Table Rejected 51-47 (Needed 2/3 Majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, November 14, 1989) |
100th Congress, 1987-88 Senate Votes |
Against Death Penalty For Drug-Related Murders: Kerry voted against approving the death penalty for drug-related murders. (S. 2455, Roll Call Vote #175: Passed 65-29: R 37-6; D 28-23, June 10, 1988) |
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Spiraling down the ol' drain.
That's what I meant in my original post where I said the media was wounded by its refusal to cover the Swifty story. The blogosphere beat their butts on that one...and got their first big taste of what it feels like to WIN. Since then we've seen example after example of blogs forcing Old Media to retract false stories.
And the Old Media still doesn't get it. They don't understand that it was absolute fury over media bias that drove the blog coverage of the Swify charges. The allegations had been around for a long time. But when the Swiftys' ads began---and Old media ignored the story---it ratcheted hatred for the media to such a degree that it exploded in the blogosphere. Old media doesn't still doesn't understand that.
That is the liberal solution to fixing the schools. We all know how great that works.
Solly.
He's such a loony case. The more he talks, the further south his numbers go.
I did notice that the GOP felt free to openly criticize the media in their speeches - Guliani talked about Bush standing up in the face of media criticism; Bush's dig about the NY Times' report on post-war Germany; "Maybe that person is now writing editorials."
I thought it worked well.
Not only are they wrong, but they are so pompous and haughtily project an "intellectually" superior condescending attitude!
Think of The Maltese Falcon where 'Bogie grabs Joel Cairo(the effeminate wuss played by Peter Lorre) by the collar and cuffs him. Lorre bleats, I told you nevvver to touch meeee! and 'Bogie says 'sumpin like, I'll slap 'ya and you'll take it!
It makes for great film-noir!
That pretty well descibes how Gergen looked after Laura Ingraham got thru with him. She slapped him down til he looked like a dog being washed.
Which reminds me: Every time Gergen says Zell Miller should just go ahead and declare he's a Republican, somebody should say to Gergen, "Well, why don't YOU just go ahead and declare you're a Demcocrat?!"
It is my hope that the Pubbies that are taking the bull(sh*t media) by the horns are doing so because they have sprouted a set of their own - not because they are under the direction from Mister Big (Rove).
It is telling that while the net, talk radio, FR, the blogs and all of the rest of alternative media information streams have been breaking story after story and winning new converts in a modern and informed grass-roots war, our political betters have been so retarded in reacting to such a clear and obvious problem as monolithic media bias. It is also telling (or damning) that this 'fight-back' sea change, if it really is permanent within party ranks, was precipitated, not by a Republican, but by a Democrat - Senator Miller.
Miller resonated because he spoke to us - the people that have made this revolution happen - NOT because he said the politically expedient things that scripted party animals do. He voiced MY rage at the media bias. He shouted about MY anger over the lying duplicity of JF'ingK's campaign and record. In short, Mr. Miller spoke MY thoughts out loud and showed to me that I was right. Millions of us that have sought information and solace from each other in mutual political commiseration know this to be the case.
If what is happening in the response tactics to media bullying and lying is part of Rove's uber-genius policies, then I would say he is a day late and a dollar short. This is something that should have been done long ago - and would have been - if we had a seriously real crop of statesmen instead of political operatives.
Mr. Rove's abilities aside, I believe far too much credit is taken for the clean and righteous actions of a few and the groundswell of support from millions of mute voices back home. In my opinion, a fine example was the 1994 backlash against the RAT treason going on in the White House. Pro-2A people and anti-abortion folks tirelessly fought the krinton occupation and woke many, many of their neighbors from their deep slumber. As usual, the reigning political genius of that time, Newt Gingrich, took full credit for the November vote and spun it into an endorsement for his agenda. Hogwash. The vote in 1996 showed that this wasn't so because many recently activated voters just stayed home.
Now, I'll give credit where credit is due, too. When President Bush carried his copy of Bernard Goldberg's 'Bias' into the presidential helicopter with the cover face exposed and visible to the eye and camera lenses, I was thrilled. Of course, the media screamed about the slight. In my world, my next step would have been to put projections of the complaining journalists articles up on a screen at the next press conference and demand from the offending press members why the hell they wanted to abolish free speech and why they objected to the President keeping himself informed.
In the future, it would be wise for Republicans to sprout a set of their own and do what is right - forcefully if necessary - instead of waiting for a green light from the bowels of the White House.
Well, that's my 0.02 worth anyway.
She tried, several times. He kept talking over her and wouldn't let her speak. I'm glad Zell called him, at least twice, on his browbeating of Michelle. Conservatives generally don't like men beating up on and bullying women.
"We are mad as 'Zell!'"
What a fantastic line! May I steal it?
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