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Speech vaults Rudy to front of '08 field
New York Daily News ^ | 9/06/04 | LISA L. COLANGELO

Posted on 09/06/2004 1:33:13 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The guy is also a gun control advocate. Be careful what you wish for.

Know how Rudy got the crime rate down so much in NYC? He instituted police state tactics at the expense of the Bill of Rights. Sure that'll work, just ask Stalin, Hitler and Ivan the Terrible (not the hurricane).

For my money give me JEB/CONDI RICE in 2008.

21 posted on 09/06/2004 6:00:08 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: kattracks
The only Northerner to have any chance at the nomination spoke last week. It was not Rudy, but Mitt Romney.
Romney is a social and fiscal conservative, who won in Massachussetts. If he can work on his speeches and delivery, he will at least be a VP choice.
22 posted on 09/06/2004 6:05:17 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: ExSoldier

That's ridiculous. We were not a police state. Rudy simply enforced all the laws.


23 posted on 09/06/2004 6:06:25 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: rmlew
NY has been a police state ever since the Sullivan laws. And don't tell me those aren't selectively enforced, on behalf of the rich and powerful. Folks who elected Hillary and little chuckie schumer (I'll never be able to put the caps in his name) to the US Senate wouldn't understand the true concept of freedom if it jumped up and bit them in the A$$....which it will if Rudy the RINO ever get's into a position of real power.
24 posted on 09/06/2004 6:14:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: ExSoldier
I am no fan of the Sullivan laws. However, these are a century old. Giulliani did not even enforce gun laws as much as Dinkins.
Your arguement doesn't work.
25 posted on 09/06/2004 6:30:30 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: rmlew
Giulliani did not even enforce gun laws as much as Dinkins. Your arguement doesn't work.

Well, you're correct about Dimwit Dinkins.

I stand by my assertion that New York liberalism has exerted a major negative impact on the country in the form of the two Senators mentioned and their furtherance of the anti-gun/anti-freedom agenda. Look at what happened at the Empire State Building a few years ago. A random nut case shooting. When it came to light that the gun was purchased in Virginia, that brought on a whole spate of federal bills to expand the gun controls into other states. But IIRC, Rudy started the ball rolling by making the call for those national laws. Another 20,000 laws that don't work in the name of control. Rudy and Hillary and chuckie all know that gun control does nothing to control crime. They don't care. Because what they really want is to control people.

26 posted on 09/06/2004 6:51:39 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: kattracks

If these truly were the choices (and of course they aren't), the GOP would be in its death throes...doomed to the same fate as the Whigs.

Obviously the writer knows nary a thing about the Republican nominating electorate.


27 posted on 09/06/2004 6:57:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Butchers of Beslan will burn in hell for eternity.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I know! That's exactly how I feel...I'm really in luck because I have so many regional candidates to choose from -Santorum, Ridge, Pataki, Giuliani, and Romney...

It should be interesting to see what Ridge does...I have a sneaking suspicion that if he wants to run for President, he will ask Bush to move to the Pentagon. That would make him the Administration candidate.

Pataki and Giulinai cannot both run...for either one to win the nomination would require the full financial advantage that hailing from NY would bring...


28 posted on 09/06/2004 8:38:23 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard

If Guiliani goes for the brass ring, Pataki should concentrate on getting the Hildebeast out of the Senate. Kill two birds with one stone.


29 posted on 09/06/2004 8:51:00 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel ("Who would Bin Laden vote for?")
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To: garylmoore
May as well vote for Hillary, she's pro-choice too.

Hillary shredded documents related to the Whitewater investigation at the Rose Law Firm to protect her husband. FBI files on political opponents were found in her private quarters. She was the author of the Clinton's national healthcare initiative. As co-president, she and husband Bill kowtowed to terrorists like the KLA and Arafat, refused to pursue Bin Laden for political reasons, sold coffees for political contributions, accepted campaign money from the Chinese government and helped get Netanyahu defeated in the hopes of establishing a legacy...an act that sparked worldwide jihad when Arafat rejected every one of Barak's offers.

Rudy is an extremely successful former U.S. attorney whose reforms remade New York into a great, liveable city worth visiting. He's tough on crime, he's pro-business, he's pro-Israel, he's a proven leader in times of crisis, he's an ally of this President, and he's terrorism's worst nightmare...a pro-defense prosecutor with a will and a long memory.

There is no reason for any conservative to vote for Hillary Clinton in a race against Rudolph Giuliani. Although they're both pro-choice, where they disagree, from a conservative standpoint Rudy beats her on every issue.

30 posted on 09/06/2004 9:33:30 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga

There is no reason for any conservative to vote for Hillary Clinton in a race against Rudolph Giuliani. Although they're both pro-choice, where they disagree, from a conservative standpoint Rudy beats her on every issue.

Yes I know, I was just being sarcastic, it just bugs me that he is againt abortion but votes for it, who does that sound like?


31 posted on 09/07/2004 2:06:58 AM PDT by garylmoore (Repeat: They made a mistake, they didn't count of George W. Bush.)
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To: Chunga
There is no reason for any conservative to vote for Hillary Clinton in a race against Rudolph Giuliani.

You are right. The largest and most powerful voting block in the USA, socially conservative Christians, would surely find and nominate its own verison of a Ross Perot or George Wallace.

32 posted on 09/07/2004 2:18:26 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: garylmoore

How does Rudy Giuliani vote for abortion?


33 posted on 09/07/2004 11:49:01 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The largest and most powerful voting block in the USA, socially conservative Christians, would surely nominate its own version of a Ross Perot or George Wallace.

Socially conservative Christians might do that. It would depend on which candidate they'd want to defeat.

If they wanted to defeat Rudy, they'd run their own candidate.
If they wanted to defeat Hillary, they'd vote for Rudy.

34 posted on 09/07/2004 12:06:09 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: kattracks

Mayor Rudy has to look to his Right to see Thurgood Marshall.


35 posted on 09/07/2004 12:08:30 PM PDT by pete anderson
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

Won't be Jeb. One of the problems W had was being the son of a recent former president him running looked kind of monarchistic. W's brother running immediately after W would be even more so. Jeb's gonna have to wait until at least 2016 maybe 2020 (2 or 3 terms after his brother).


36 posted on 09/07/2004 12:10:54 PM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
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To: rmlew
Romney is a social and fiscal conservative

Where does he stand on the 2nd amendment?

37 posted on 09/07/2004 12:11:54 PM PDT by bankwalker (We are having a cultural civil war and our side had better win it.)
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To: bankwalker
In 2002, David Kopel praised Romney as mildly pro-gun and better than the previous governors.
I think that he is as pro-gun as possible in Massachussets and would become better on the national stage.
He should be vetted and questioned closely.
38 posted on 09/07/2004 6:40:45 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Chunga

That old chestnut ain't going to work. Not when both candidates are set square against your core values.


39 posted on 09/07/2004 7:05:30 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
That old chestnut is true.

If Rudy won the Republican nomination after a fair primary fight and social conservatives refused to support him, voting for a third-party candidate and leading to a Hillary Clinton victory, social conservatives will be responsible for Hillary's election.

The issue of abortion will not be decided at the executive level of government, and neither the House nor the Senate has the political will to pass a constitutional amendment outlawing it or overturning Roe. The issue will be decided in the courts.

Social conservatives had better pray Hillary is never elected President and should work to prevent such an abomination at all costs, even if it means the election of a Republican moderate. Her nominess to the bench will make Steve Bryer look like Antonin Scalia. With Rudy you at least get a shot at constructionists.

Of course, if you don't give a rat's ass about the unborn, vote for a third-party candidate in a Hillary/Rudy election should the opportunity arise.

40 posted on 09/07/2004 7:49:42 PM PDT by Chunga
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