I couldn't bring myself to read that dribble, but I'm confident that Carville didn't actually respond to Zell's arguments.
They're REALLY desperate if they're bringing out Scuzzy and Scummy.
bttt
Who here thinks Carville was the weaker one?
Well...Probably not, but at least he's an opponent with spine.
Sounds like Mary Matalin held her own with Carville!
'MR. CARVILLE: .... "You said that he called them occupiers." In fact, President Bush had called them occupiers on three separate occasions.'
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I heard this "talking point" several times over the past days. I was curious so I did a brief Google search to see if I could find if the president actually termed our troops as "occupiers" (I'm very doubtful he would).
I have found lots of stories quoting the president and other high ranking officials as saying "we are there as liberators, not occupiers," but I have yet to find any support for the Kerry supporters claims. Does anyone have any links that vouch for their "occupier" claim?
My guess is that they are twisting words and taking them out of context (Shockers!).
Carville is a very dark and evil person.
Mary Mattalin must've been higher than a giraffe's a** when she hooked up with the SerpentHead.
I don't see any other explanation other than Mary is another David Gergen Conservative Destructor...
When will these clowns realize that the difference is intense and discrete, and symantics will not fool anyone who is listening. The left claims we are imperialists whose goal is to occupy. The right proclaims, justly, that the GOAL is liberation.
Playing word games will not change that fact. Using the word occupation is not an admission of imperialist goals. I'm so sick of the leftist BS that I could spit.
Oh, you had to see the look on Matalin's face throughout this discussion. She exhuded pure disgust at Rainman.
James won't be getting any--for the duration.
This is how you fight somebody like James Carville...
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In former president Jimmy Carter's recent speech at the democratic convention, he launched into a tirade completely out of keeping with the dignity and decorum one would expect from a man of his stature and accomplishments, wildly accusing the Bush administration of defective judgment, immaturity, slavish acquiescence to the "super-rich," gross miscalculation, arrogant unilateralism, disregard for freedom and justice, and radical extremism. He spit out these rapid-fire accusations in such a reckless manner that there is only one conclusion a reasonable person can reach --
Jimmy Carter was shot up with drugs by the democrats and forced to give a speech they had written for him. They got that poor man in the twilight of his career and just used him. They said, 'Look, go up there and say this,' and they handed him a bunch of documents. It was a put-up job. There is no other explanation for this reverend, silver-haired statesman carrying on like that. It's really "elder abuse," and I'm calling for a full investigation with the responsible parties brought to justice for their crimes against one of our senior citizens.
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MR. CARVILLE, PROVE THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN. NO, MR. CARVILLE, ANSWER THE QUESTION. PROVE THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN! YOU CAN'T DISPROVE IT AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE TRYING TO DISTRACT EVERYBODY FROM THE QUESTION. PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! ==========================================================
Think Carville’s just some lunatic?
The same thing was said about Father Coughlin back in the 1940s. But Roosevelt clearly recognized that he was a political threat and acted to neutralize him. The same thing was said about Huey “Kingfish” Long during that period, but he was an enormously successful demagogue and FDR wisely acted to counter him as well, with less success. In that case, an assassin's bullet solved FDR's problem for him.
You underestimate a man like Carville at your peril. He knows what he's doing and he has the track record to prove it.
There are about a million guys who are sitting on barstools as we speak and are thinking and talking just like Carville did in this TV appearance. As they sit there with their beers, looking up at the TV on the bar room wall, they take him seriously, they are looking at eachother and nodding, and they vote. They don't vote out of deeply held principle or because they have followed current political events closely and have reached careful conclusions. They vote because they they think they should, even though they are too lazy to pay much attention to the campaigns and the issues raised by them. When they take much interest at all, they respond only to sound bites, slogans and symbols, not logical arguments. They don't pore over documents or spend time at online places like Free Republic. And they constitute a large chunk of those undecided voters Bush and kerry are tussling over.
These are the people Carville is talking to.