Posted on 09/04/2004 9:24:18 PM PDT by mnehring
I am sure you all have seen this site, but just in case you have not: http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/rightresponds.html
They claim to give liberals tools to defeat any Republican in debate in three minutes or less.
The funny part is they don't base anthing on reality but on twisting logic, circular reference falacies, incorrect stereotypes, and relational errors.
Some examples: Do you remember that period in history known as the Great Depression. That was when the cheap labor conservatives -- in control of both ends of Pennsylvaania Avenue -- gave us 23% unemployment. Roosevelt -- a Democrat -- won the election of 1932. Then his administration accomplished the following things, many cheap-labor conservatives call socialism. Things like agricultural subsidies, rural electrification, the National Labor Relations Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, the first minimum wage laws and Social Security.
Back to the 80 year old playbook for a new century.
I have not found a single argument they pose that could not be beaten. The funny part about this site is they stage fake conversations, and the responses they give the Republicans are things no educated Republican would ever say. All they do is reinforece stereotypes.
Haven't many historians argued that Roosevelt's post-1933 pre-1941 policies actually PROLONGED the Depression?
You are a great Freeper, mnehrling. But why give these nut-jobs an inch of font?
Yes. This reads like something written by a college sophomore who's ingested a bunch of cliched liberal arguments and thinks he knows everything and so is going to share his wisdom with the rest of the world. A typical 20-year-old.
FDR's Folly, by Jim Powell is excellent
keep eating those lead paint chips, lefty.
This is something I've never been able to grasp. If there was 23% unemployment and the Great Depression was in full swing, where did Roosevelt get the money to pay for all the programs this guy listed?
Yep. Unemployment was higher in 1939 than it was in 1932. Dems controlled the big media then just as they do now. The sheeple in those days were more innocent, for the most part, but easily led by the nose into believing that FDR was some kind of saint.
..not to mention the fact that the even this is falsly based on the assumption that 'evil corporations' and 'Republicans' started the Great Depression, not that we had a drastic economic shift, almost a birth pain, in our banking structure, creating the federal reserve, but devaluing instutionally issued bonds that were not recognized by the reserve system.
They also have the false assumption that the 'Great Society' was the only means to get us out of the Great Depression, when in fact, it may have simply ridden on the coattails of a natural economic progression.
My thoughts too. If these idiots want to play little games with themselves, let them. They are still wrong and they are still losers.
tax increases, is what I read both FDR and Hoover
I just enjoy seeing the mental weakness from their side. It also builds my confidence to see that the opposing arguments are based on how well they can lie or use word tricks, not on simple facts.
Deficit spending and higher taxes. Ponzi schemes like Social Security.
Some people defeat themselves through their own venality, cynicism and unwillingness to seek win-win solutions -- this site is by and for such people. Fugetaboudit.
Fair enough.
Roosevelt watched the depression end from the sidelines after the United States entered WWII. His socialist programs only extended the depression and only ushered in an era of mass addiction to a big-government welfare-state. Congratulations, FDR.
This is the best the liberals can do?
Yeah, I just read this:
http://www.libertyhaven.com/theoreticalorphilosophicalissues/economichistory/roosevelt.shtml
Thanks for the Libertyhaven link.
Looks like an interesting read.
unemployment is 5.4%
The answer to your question is, he soaked the rich, practically taking all of their money. That's capital that could have been used for investment in the private sector.
While liberals are fond of telling us of all the government programs created during the Great Depression, what they don't tell you is that growth of the private sector was virtually zip. Indeed, the average citizen had a lowly opinion of business during the Depression.
All Roosevelt's New Deal did was reduce unemployment from 23% to 17% just before WWII. That's still pretty lousy.
All of which goes to show that private industry, for the most part, drives the economy.
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