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To: ThirstyMan
Jorge;"The fact is many heterosexual couples are also incapable of procreation. Is their marriage therefore an "absurdity"?

No, to quote Dr. Keyes: "The point of the matter is that marriage as an institution involves procreation. It is impossible for homosexuals to procreate. Therefore they cannot marry."

Why is this not clear? He does not state that a marriage must have children to be a marriage.

Yes he does. Read his statment again;
"The point of the matter is that marriage as an institution involves procreation."

He says procreation is the "POINT" of marriage.

There is much more to marriage than procreation.

140 posted on 09/04/2004 8:16:06 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Yes he does. Read his statment again; "The point of the matter is that marriage as an institution involves procreation."

He says procreation is the "POINT" of marriage.

You should reread his statement. He says procreation is the point of the "INSTITUTION" of marriage. Not the point of marriages.

149 posted on 09/04/2004 8:34:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: Jorge
"as an institution"

This is getting silly. I know that successful procreation is not a requirement for a marriage. So does Dr. Keyes. The moral foundation upon which God has established the marriage covenant, as revealed in Genesis and referred to by Dr. Keyes, is a male/female relationship -- ALONE. Dr. Keyes refers to procreation as a qualifying characteristic for the kind of two people who can enter this married relationship.
Who can procreate? Only a man and a woman. Can every man and every woman procreate successfully? No Can they still marry if they can't procreate? Yes Who can marry? Only a man and a woman. The "essence" [his wording] of the two marriage partners is this male/female paradigm which "includes" procreation, but does not require it. Why is this so hard? [Going off to bed now]

153 posted on 09/04/2004 8:45:42 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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