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Calling Dougie Brinkley and Chrissie Matthews.
1 posted on 09/03/2004 6:38:18 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Not sure I buy this. As I understand it, if 180 had been signed, any request would allow anyone complete access to all of the hundreds of pages we have yet to see. If this is true, then Kerry might be in worse shape that even I thought he was.


2 posted on 09/03/2004 6:42:33 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: NavySEAL F-16

But, but, but, those were the records that Kerry could not release because of a confidentiality agreement with Brinkley.....


3 posted on 09/03/2004 6:42:52 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: NavySEAL F-16
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4 posted on 09/03/2004 6:44:16 PM PDT by christie (http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

If a Form 180 was signed, can't ANYONE get a copy because Kerry gave his permission for the Government to release the records? The Form 180 does not list WHO the Government can release the recors to does it? Can't we all get a copy now?


5 posted on 09/03/2004 6:44:26 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Nah I think he obtained them from Kerry...


7 posted on 09/03/2004 6:49:27 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: NavySEAL F-16

"Also with Kerry's permission, I obtained his Navy records and have used them as a reliable source."

Be serious -- Brinkley "Obtained" Kerry's Navy records from Kerry. Just like the selected reports Kerry has posted to his website.

Nowhere is it said that Brinkley got Kerry's records, that he got ALL of Kerry's records directly from the Pentagon.

Signing the 180 would mean that his records can be released publicly, not just to one person and no others.


8 posted on 09/03/2004 6:49:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Thank you sir, for your service and thank you for this intiguing idea.


9 posted on 09/03/2004 6:49:54 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Kerry can get his military records, for personal use, he DID NOT sign SF 180 because that would give the public access to the files.


11 posted on 09/03/2004 6:53:01 PM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: NavySEAL F-16
"Brinkley insists — both in ToD's Author's Note (at page xiii) and in its Acknowledgements (at page 520) — that Kerry "had no editorial control" over Brinkley's book manuscript or the entire biography project."

Well then how does that explain the phone call Kerry made to Admiral Hoffman telling him that if he and the Swift Boat Vets didn't come out against him, he'd make sure that a revision was made in the book about them.

Does anybody really believe that Kerry, who had gone to so much trouble to create his own personal military record, would actually give an author free reign on a book that was specifically developed to propel him into the White House? Sorry. I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

14 posted on 09/03/2004 7:01:11 PM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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Instructions for SF 180:

2. Restrictions on release of information. Release of information is subject to restrictions imposed by the military services consistent with Department of Defense regulations ... Others requesting information from military personnel/health records must have the release authorization in Section III of the SF 180 signed by the member or legal guardian ...

The section III release authorization has three subpoints:

1. Requester is: member, next of kin, legal guardian, or other

2. Send information/documaents to: name and address of recipient

3. Authorization signature required. Signature, date, and email address

Authorizing release of the records to Brinkley doesn't allow release to anyone else without another authorization being signed.

17 posted on 09/03/2004 7:18:25 PM PDT by Bob
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It's too soon. If we get all Fn's records now, he will be forced to resign and the RATs will have a better shot at winning.

Better to wait until mid-October to release all his military records.

18 posted on 09/03/2004 7:26:21 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: NavySEAL F-16
I think you overlook the crapweasel facility with language. Kerry can not afford to have the entire contents of his Navy file in any one's hands. There are secrets too terrible to ever be public, even to official biographer.

"Obtained Navy records" may just be words to suggest the whole package without actually saying. The same chicanery is in the 24 May 1986 letter to Senator Kerry from the Navy National Personnel Records Center which transmits 9 specific documnets and starts with, "Your request of the 9th of May concerning documentation of your Naval Service..." It suggests that this is his whole record. It is far, far from that.

I do not agree that Brinkley had the package that would come in response to an unqualifed F-180. I believe he obtained whatever package of Navy records Kerry left on a desk in one of the mansions/palaces that Brinkley went over andpicked up.

19 posted on 09/03/2004 7:32:35 PM PDT by Tacis (KERRYQUIDIC - Scandal, treason, dishonor & cover-up!! Benedict Arnold had a few good months, too!!)
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22 posted on 09/03/2004 7:40:31 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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Tsk, tsk.
Brinkley by another name is Doris Kearns-Goodwin.


24 posted on 09/03/2004 7:55:42 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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Bump


25 posted on 09/03/2004 7:56:36 PM PDT by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I thought the 180 had to signed everytime a copy of the records is released?


29 posted on 09/03/2004 8:08:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I find it hard to believe he would take the chance of a biographer leaking the info.


30 posted on 09/03/2004 8:09:10 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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